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Author Topic:   Upstairs/Downstairs Units? - 515 visits (1 today, 2 this week)
Al Roden
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From:Victoria, Texas
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posted March 16, 2005 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Al Roden   Click Here to Email Al Roden     Edit/Delete Message
Yesterday I found an odd set up and was wondering if the HVAC maybe had something in mind that was over my head.

I mean they are schooled and licensed on how to install these things...so there must be a reason.

The unit serving the upstairs gets its return from the downstairs. And the unit serving the downstairs gets its return from the upstairs.

And both thermostats are located downstairs - around the corner from each other on the other side of the house from the staircase that connects the floors.

There are no bedrooms upstairs...just a large open space and a bathroom and no doors, other than the bathroom door, separating the upstairs from the downstairs - air can flow up and down the stairwell.

My thought is that it will get hot as hell upstairs when the downstairs unit is set to a low temperature because the unit keeps blowing air upstairs without ever significantly raising the temperature downstairs - so the thermostat will never reach its set point.

Anyway, does anyone know why a HVAC guy would want to install it like that?

Kevin VanderWarf
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From:Aiken SC
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posted March 16, 2005 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin VanderWarf   Click Here to Email Kevin VanderWarf     Edit/Delete Message

Sounds like the owner threw in an extra case of beer for custom design.

HVAC guy; We put a upstars on mamas trailer an done the heat n ar the zact same way an it done good, yep bud lites fine wid me

Jeff G. Hooper
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From:Palm Beach Gardens, FL
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posted March 16, 2005 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeff G. Hooper   Click Here to Email Jeff G. Hooper     Edit/Delete Message
Try to balance those units!!!

Jeff

Jerry Peck
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posted March 16, 2005 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry Peck   Click Here to Email Jerry Peck     Edit/Delete Message
"Anyway, does anyone know why a HVAC guy would want to install it like that?"

Not I.

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Jerry Peck
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Kevin VanderWarf
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posted March 17, 2005 07:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin VanderWarf   Click Here to Email Kevin VanderWarf     Edit/Delete Message
Al,

Did this design appear to be the direct intent?

Or, were the units placed in close proximity
where the ducts may have been crossed? I've seen that happen.

Al Roden
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From:Victoria, Texas
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posted March 17, 2005 08:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Al Roden   Click Here to Email Al Roden     Edit/Delete Message
No Kevin...that's what has me puzzled...it 'appears' that they meant to do it this way.

The two units are both in the attic space but are on each side of the finished upstairs - one's on the left and ones on the right divided by about 25 feet of finished floor space and two walls.

And I'm positive that's the way they had them hooked up because I ran them one at a time...and then got my helper, who is also an inspector, to go check them too...he can back with the same puzzled look.

And there's no way that could have been an oversight - when you open the attic access door, the first thing you see is a duct running from the unit to the ceiling below and staring right at you, to the right, is the return on the upstairs wall.

The same goes on the other side - when you open the attic access door, the first thing you see is a duct running from the unit to a register in the upstairs room...and no return grill..cause it's downstairs.

And looking at the unit (the way its installed, the connections are made, etc..) it was done by an HVAC guy.

I looked into becoming an HVAC contractor a long time ago...it takes extensive education and on-the-job experience to get into the business...so I have to wonder if they had some type of reason for doing it this way.

But I can't figure it out. The Realtor grilled me good on it too: "How do YOU know if their installed backwards???"...like how dare I question a HVAC guy.

I said, "Because they LOOK like they are".

Then she asked me in a threatening tone, "Do you KNOW who OWNS this house???"

It's one of the most reputable builders in this town, she says, and you're gonna have plenty to deal with when HE sees this report.

John Badger
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From:Powder Springs, GA
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posted March 17, 2005 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for John Badger   Click Here to Email John Badger     Edit/Delete Message
Al,

Reading your post makes me wonder about the age of the home, its history and the intent of the ductwork layout.

We’re all use to seeing a horizontal split in the home that divides two HVAC systems. This means one system serves the bottom floor and one serves the upper floor. The thermostats are assigned locations on each floor.

Sometimes, for reasons unknown, maybe a modification history we’re not privy to, some systems will have a vertical split. Now you have one system serving the lower and upper floors one side of the house while the other system is serving both floors on the other side of the house. In this case, the thermostats can be at the same level as long as they are in their respective area of responsibility.

Johnny

Kevin VanderWarf
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posted March 19, 2005 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin VanderWarf   Click Here to Email Kevin VanderWarf     Edit/Delete Message
John,

Is there a logical reason why a system would be designed this way. If so why and how would it work any better than a normal upstairs/downstairs set up.

With many years in HVAC, I have never seen such a set up.

What I have seen are different levels on one system that never work properly.

John Badger
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From:Powder Springs, GA
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posted March 20, 2005 05:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for John Badger   Click Here to Email John Badger     Edit/Delete Message
Kevin,

Many investors keep the original ductwork to save money when converting smaller two story duplexes into a single-family dwelling.

You’re right, they don’t work very well and an unknowing homebuyer usually pays a heavy price. I tell my clients that the concealed ductwork configurations in converted homes may be unusual and may not work properly. If they’re concerned, they can get an HVAC guy out there for further testing.

I got hung up on this in my infant years with a converted duplex. Now that I’m up to toddler, I won’t get bit again and always look out for this configuration, especially when I inspect any of the above type homes.

Johnny

steve potvin
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From:spring texas
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posted March 20, 2005 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve potvin   Click Here to Email steve potvin     Edit/Delete Message
Al,
The a/c contractor law in the state is a joke. One person only has to take a test and that test is way too easy. Then any.one can work under his license or even sub out to an unlicensed individual.All the other trade type licenses have all hands licensed or apprentices registered.
I'm a licensed ac contractor and my experience would lead me to believe that the following scenario happened; this was originally a two zone system on a one story house as seem by both returns and both thermostats on first floor then the second floor was either added or was originally unfinished and just tied into systems at the time of remodeling.
I hope this helps you to understand one possible reason for this mess.
Steve

tim reaves
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From:redding ca
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posted March 21, 2005 06:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tim reaves   Click Here to Email tim reaves     Edit/Delete Message
How Large is the house? maybe the downstairs unit is only used in the winter drawing the hot air from the upstairs. And then the upstairs unit is only used during the summer drawing the cool air from the downstairs.

Al Roden
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From:Victoria, Texas
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posted March 22, 2005 08:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Al Roden   Click Here to Email Al Roden     Edit/Delete Message
The house is an older one built before central HVAC, in 1938. - Its 1600 square feet and has 6 tons of air conditioning (total for the two units).

The electric unit serving the downstairs is a two ton unit - the upstairs enclosed attic space has the 4 ton gas unit.

That may explain the set-up...different units for different seasons...Out of curiosity, I'll have to ask the Realtor about it again when she settles down.

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