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Mike Bates
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posted February 12, 2005 08:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Bates   Click Here to Email Mike Bates     Edit/Delete Message
I am looking to purchase a new ladder. Should I buy a telesteps or a little giant?

I plan on climbing roofs. They have a version of the LG by Werner at Lowe's for $200 at 22ft extension length. I like the telesteps for its ease of use. Any thoughts or problems with any of these two?

Or should I buy both eventually?

Thanks for your input
Mike Bates

Joe Griffin
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posted February 12, 2005 08:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joe Griffin   Click Here to Email Joe Griffin     Edit/Delete Message
Mike, I have a 12.5" Telesteps and a 32' extension ladder with standoffs on my truck.

I can go just about anywhere I need to.

One of my guys has an LG, he says it's too bulky to carry, he is switching to a Telesteps.

Try them both, you can always return either.

Keep LQQkin

Dom D'Agostino
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posted February 12, 2005 09:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dom D'Agostino   Click Here to Email Dom D'Agostino     Edit/Delete Message
I use both Little Giant and Telesteps. The telesteps is used only for interior use, closet hatches, second story use where you don't want to ding the stairwell, etc. For any exterior application and especially for roof access, I prefer the stability of the LG. The wide stance, and rock-solid feel when you get to the top, are worth it.

Plenty of attic scuttle holes are 10, 12 or more feet high. The LG is much more versatile in these situations also.

Carry both, you'll use each one as you see fit.

Dom.

Jerry Peck
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posted February 12, 2005 10:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry Peck   Click Here to Email Jerry Peck     Edit/Delete Message
I am thinking of buying either the Telesteps or the Extend-N-Climb (or whatever their names are).

Which is better and why? How much does each weigh? Which is easier to extend? Which is easier to let back down?

The use I will be using it for (at least at first) is when I go from one roof to the next roof up. Now, I either have to drag out my big 26' LG, or (what I always do) take the 17' LG with me up on the roof (leaving no access to come get me if the need should arrive and no quick way down for me if that need should arrive) then set it up to go to the next roof up.

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Jerry Peck
South Florida

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Joe Griffin
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posted February 12, 2005 10:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joe Griffin   Click Here to Email Joe Griffin     Edit/Delete Message
Jerry, I have the telesteps 12.5' which I absolutely love.

If I was single again I could use it to pick up chicks, I swear. People love it.

It weighs 32 lbs, and shrinks to two and a half ft. when all the way down. It is the bomb! Carry it under your arm easily. And no knocking Ming vases over anymore...

And it is strong, as we covered previously, I'm bigger than your average HI.

I took my six ft. fixed, and my 16 ft. adjusting ladder off of my truck within a week of buying this baby.

Keep LQQkin.

Mike Bates
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posted February 12, 2005 01:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Bates   Click Here to Email Mike Bates     Edit/Delete Message
Also, weighing 255 lbs. Can I get away with buying the 225lb rated telestep.

Nick Ostrowski
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posted February 12, 2005 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nick Ostrowski   Click Here to Email Nick Ostrowski     Edit/Delete Message
I have the the Xtend n' Climb model. At 12.5 ft extended, it gets me onto practically every 1st level roof and I can often just haul it right up after me and piggyback onto the next roof up. Best ladder I ever bought. 2.5 feet compressed, weighs 25 lbs., adjusts to whatever height you need from 2.5 - 12.5 feet, stores practically anywhere. I also have a 32' extension ladder for the 2nd story roofs.

I've never used the Telesteps model but my understanding is that the no-pinch closure system Xtend n' Climb has is better at avoiding hand pinches than the Telesteps model which uses springs that have to be pulled to compress the ladder. Xn'C has two buttons on the front of each rung that you push in with your thumbs to compress.

I end up giving a testimonial on the ladder on just about every inspection. People go nuts over the thing.

Jerry Peck
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posted February 12, 2005 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry Peck   Click Here to Email Jerry Peck     Edit/Delete Message
Joe,

How does the telesteps go down?

So far, the advantage is to Extend-N-Climb for the weight savings (25 lbs compared to 32 lbs).

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Jerry Peck
South Florida

Mike Bates
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posted February 12, 2005 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Bates   Click Here to Email Mike Bates     Edit/Delete Message
Just looked on e-bay the xtend & climb is under $200 shipped for the 225lb rated. Much better price than the telesteps.

Gary Cox
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posted February 12, 2005 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gary Cox   Click Here to Email Gary Cox     Edit/Delete Message
Jerry,

My Telesteps releases with two small finger rings at the bottom of the first rung. By pulling these, you release the extended 12'5" and down it slides...and at about half way down, you lift the darn thing up, place the ends against the attic hatch cover and simply move the board back into place. When I do this I love the comments like "We were wondering how you were going to shut the cover" or "Wow, you've practiced that move huh?"

I beleive the Xtend and climb requires you to release one rung at a time. Does not sound as easy as the Telesteps. Telesteps got the patent on their release system. It's amazing. I've had mine for 4 years now and have had hundreds of people step onto it, climb up into attics with me...and yes on occasion some VERY hefty people (who I warn first).
The ladder is as strong as the day I bought it.
I did removed the two factory rings and replace them with camping hooks (works better).

The pinching problem is a problem with people who do not read the instructions...like me!
Once I realized where my hand are supposed to be...the wounds healed.

Next to my vehicle it's the best tool I own.
I use it inside and outside.
If I can't reach the roof I switch to binoculars. If my gut tells me we may need to get on a particular roof well I call a roofer and their visit becomes a part of my inspection. Little trick I picked up from US Inspect.

Jerry Peck
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posted February 12, 2005 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry Peck   Click Here to Email Jerry Peck     Edit/Delete Message
Gary,

It only slides half way down when you release the rings, or can you stop it anywhere on the way down by letting the rings back in?

Nick,

Does the Extend-N-Climb go down one step at a time, or multiple steps at once?

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Jerry Peck
South Florida

Nick Ostrowski
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posted February 13, 2005 04:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nick Ostrowski   Click Here to Email Nick Ostrowski     Edit/Delete Message
Telesteps has the advantage there Jerry. Xn'C goes down one step at a time so you do need to push in the buttons on each step. But if you keep it well lubricated (which I need to do), each rung slides back into place very quickly. Xn'C does have an integrated neoprene handle grip for carrying the ladder which is easy on your hands.

I don't think you could go wrong with either model Jerry. At this point, it's just whatever your personal preference is. Both will get the job done and draw oohs and aahs from onlookers.

I used to use a small extending step ladder made by Werner which was a pain carrying up steps and into tight places. I wish I'd had my Xn'C from the beginning.

Jerry Peck
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posted February 13, 2005 06:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry Peck   Click Here to Email Jerry Peck     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks, guys.

Guess I'll order the Telesteps.

Need it for our camper ... er ... business, yeah, business, to get from one roof to the next (that is what it will get used for most often).

Maybe I'll order two ... for the business - OF COURSE.

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Jerry Peck
South Florida

Joe Griffin
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posted February 13, 2005 07:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joe Griffin   Click Here to Email Joe Griffin     Edit/Delete Message
Jerry, I think you will find that this ladder is worth the money.

I also bought the carry case which allows you to carry it on your shoulder, freeing up hands.

I have slung it over my shoulder when climbing my 32' onto a flat multi-family roof, and used the Telesteps to inspect unusually tall chimneys which are very common here.

The unsung part of this ladder is that it always comes into the house clean and dry.

The ladders on my truck were always dirty even though I have an automatic car wash nearby that accomodates ladders and racks.

One tip: Remove the bottom feet and lightly apply some mild adhesive around the outside and reinstall.

This ladder expands and contracts and the feet will drop out since they are a slip fit only.

I almost lost the feet a couple of times when I first got it.

You won't have this problem but others might: I used it to access a roof during a misting rain.

I didn't dry it off, put it in my cab. The temp went below freezing overnight.

The next day I went to use it and it was frozen shut. It was an embarrasing moment.

I had to go thaw it out in the truck.

Make sure you keep a towel handy and dry it every time it gets wet or dirty.

Due to close machining tolerances it will bind easily with a grain of sand.

Take care of it and it will serve you well.

Ps I purchased mine from Amazon.com $199

Keep LQQkin.

Don Matthews
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posted February 13, 2005 07:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Don Matthews   Click Here to Email Don Matthews     Edit/Delete Message
Target online has them listed for $179 plus free shipping.

http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/sr=2-1/qid=1108 307699/ref=sr_2_1/601-6305093-8873707?%5Fencoding=UTF8&asin=B0000DI80Q

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Richard Rushing
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posted February 13, 2005 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard Rushing   Click Here to Email Richard Rushing     Edit/Delete Message
Hey Gary or others,

What is the max weight capacity of the Telesteps?

At 220# I need a 300# rated ladder.

Richard

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Nick Ostrowski
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posted February 13, 2005 09:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nick Ostrowski   Click Here to Email Nick Ostrowski     Edit/Delete Message
Rich, from what I've been able to see, only Telesteps offers a higher weight capacity ladder (up to 250 lbs.) but only in the 10.5 foot model. All other models of Telesteps and Xn'C ladders are 225 lb capacities.

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Richard Rushing
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posted February 13, 2005 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard Rushing   Click Here to Email Richard Rushing     Edit/Delete Message
Does anyone have the 250# rated Telesteps?

If so, are they pretty sturdy?

Gawd, I'd hate to use that monkey bar for a chimney climb to find out that sucker will throw me like a mechanical bull...

Rich

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R. Rushing
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Ken Larson
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posted February 13, 2005 10:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Larson   Click Here to Email Ken Larson     Edit/Delete Message
My LG pretty much sits in the garage these days. It was my first ladder when I started inspecting. It's just too heavy and bulky to drag around even with my pickup truck.

It also took way to much time to mess with getting it set up and folded back up after the inspection. For me, 4 min vs less than 1 min setup with the extension ladder is a long time. Oh, and did I mention that LG is a heavy bugger to lug around?

I've been carrying a 24' extension ladder with a small 8' fiberglass folding ladder. Just ordered the Telesteps to replace my 8'er. Now maybe I can reach a bit better on those newer model high ceiling homes. Looking forward to it.

Ken

Jerry Peck
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posted February 13, 2005 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry Peck   Click Here to Email Jerry Peck     Edit/Delete Message
Rich,

"Gawd, I'd hate to use that monkey bar for a chimney climb to find out that sucker will throw me like a mechanical bull... "

From some of the chimneys in some of the photos posted here, I'm not sure I would want to trust the chimney with me on a ladder against it.

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Jerry Peck
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Richard Rushing
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posted February 13, 2005 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard Rushing   Click Here to Email Richard Rushing     Edit/Delete Message
I agree... that's doing one of the most dangerous high wire acts an inspector does (the ladder thing against the chimney).

I've got my master parachute wings and in my younger days was a jump master. There's not alot of things that just give me the 'willies'. The ladder against the chimney is one of them. The other is not having the ladder extended high enough to safely get down off the roof. After that one happens to you just once... you tend to figure out where you went wrong and how to correct it real quick! Hell, I'd rather run and jump off the roof and doo a PLF (parachute landing fall) than tumble head under ass off the roof.

Hate it when that happens...

Rich

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R. Rushing
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Gary Cox
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posted February 13, 2005 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gary Cox   Click Here to Email Gary Cox     Edit/Delete Message
Jerry,

The Telesteps ladders cannot come down and be set. Once you pull the release rings, you must let the ladder come all the way down, then you up it again to the desired height. The instructions have a warning about this. If you attempt to climb it after releasing the rings and repositioning it a bit lower...your stepping onto a dangerous ladder.

Once you get a hang for the ladder, letting it come down all the way to start over is nothing. It's habit.
My ladder is four years old, perhaps there is a newer version that allows you to release and reset on the way down. I don't think so. It works on an internal weight system that locks in place as the ladder goes up. Once you get to the height you want you MUST also remember to take the next higher rung, and bring it up a quarter. This properly locks the internal mechinism.

Weight MAX? Tested for 225. I'm sad to say (but on a diet since Jan 3) 208 lbs.

Jerry, I've been preaching my discovery of this ladder on this site to inspectors since my first post. It will prove to be an amazing difference in your tool arsenal. You will take it everywhere and find ol' Bessy LG gathering dust in your truck unless you exceed the Telesteps height.

1.Warning! Both of these ladders slide easily on gutters, just be aware of it.
2. When you get your ladder, take the yellow rubber shoes off and stick some liquid nails in there. They tend to fall out. If you loose them do a google search. They are sold sep.
The Telesteps ladders are used By our local Police dept here.

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posted February 14, 2005 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry Peck   Click Here to Email Jerry Peck     Edit/Delete Message
Ordered my Telesteps this morning, should have it tomorrow or the next day.

I've also been waiting to reply to something stated above, but here goes:

"It also took way to much time to mess with getting it set up and folded back up after the inspection. For me, 4 min vs less than 1 min setup with the extension ladder is a long time."

(I timed it today.)

I set my LG up, had to raise it a step (not tall enough) had to raise it another step (still wasn't tall enough), rested ladder against overhang, caught it when the wind started to blow it sideways, then moved it to a nearby inside corner. Ladder was fully extended.

Total time from setting the LG on the ground (which is when I thought about it and looked at my watch), setting the ladder up and extending it, to getting ready to go up the ladder was ... 34 seconds.

The time to get the ladder to that spot and set it on the ground would theoretically be the same, regardless of ladder being used.

I've watched a few people struggle with their LG and put it up all kinds of convoluted ways, and yeah, that not only takes time, but make you look inept too.

I can put my 26 foot LG up in less than 5 minutes - never timed it - (once I have it on the ground where I want it), and that sucker is a bear for one person to handle, especially someone barely tall enough to reach beyond the balance point. Of course, I rarely need that 26 foot LG - which is a very good thing.


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Jerry Peck
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Gary Cox
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posted February 14, 2005 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gary Cox   Click Here to Email Gary Cox     Edit/Delete Message
Jerry,

Your gonna love your ladder. Tight closets full of clothes no problem. Walkin' up 3 flights no problem...often you'll find your buyer offering to carry it for you just to check it out. They can't beleive it only weighs 23 pounds...and it fits perfectly right behind your driver's seat.

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posted February 14, 2005 08:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry Peck   Click Here to Email Jerry Peck     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, it should make a few things easier, (like cleaning the top of our 5th wheel camper and the awnings - will find out this weekend ) ... oh!, right ... BUSINESS ... should make those roof hops to a higher roof easier. I'll have to see about the closets, my LG goes right into tight closets. Maybe it just the way I handle the LG, and maybe the Telesteps will really be easier, that would be nice.

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Jerry Peck
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Jerry Peck
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posted February 15, 2005 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry Peck   Click Here to Email Jerry Peck     Edit/Delete Message
Yo! Guys (and gals), got it this afternoon.

Set it up and took it down a few times so I don't look like a fool when I use it tomorrow.

I doubt (don't come back and drag this out as a quote in a few months ) that it will ever replace my LG, not anywhere near as strong (flexes too much for my liking). But, for my intended use of getting from one roof to another roof easier (and where I've never needed a 12 1/2' ladder), it should work fine.

Maybe use it for a few closets too, I'll have to give it a try now that I've actually got one.

Mine is the 250 pound rated model. Considered the 300 pound rated model, but I think it's only 10 1/2'?

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Jerry Peck
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Gary Cox
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posted February 15, 2005 06:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gary Cox   Click Here to Email Gary Cox     Edit/Delete Message
Ouch! You bought the short version.

Bending? You'll learn to trust it as I have. It's got as much take and give as a commercial airliners wings flapping in an air tunnel.

Remember when opening to start with the top rung and go out. Carry it under the bottom rung only.

Telesteps has also just come out with a step ladder version of these ladders. Still no 24 footer dang it. Propbably a good thing. Base of support would be a danger.

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posted February 15, 2005 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry Peck   Click Here to Email Jerry Peck     Edit/Delete Message
Gary,

"Ouch! You bought the short version."

???? It's 12 1/2 feet. They make a LONGER one?

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Joe Griffin
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posted February 15, 2005 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joe Griffin   Click Here to Email Joe Griffin     Edit/Delete Message
Jerry, Gary misread your post.

He didn't realize you were talking about another Telesteps rated ladder. I knew what you meant.

Enjoy it, like Gary said it bends like a wet noodle but don't let it worry ya.

Keep LQQkin

Gary Cox
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posted February 15, 2005 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gary Cox   Click Here to Email Gary Cox     Edit/Delete Message
Longest Telesteps is 12'5" rated at 225lbs.
Sorry I guess I read your post wrong?

Last sentence sounded like your saying you bought the 10 foot model.

They also now sell it in black.

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posted February 15, 2005 08:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry Peck   Click Here to Email Jerry Peck     Edit/Delete Message
Gary,

"Longest Telesteps is 12'5" rated at 225lbs."

No, that is what confused you I guess, mine says 250 pound rating, and yes, it is 12.5 feet.

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Jerry Peck
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Gary Cox
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posted February 17, 2005 07:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gary Cox   Click Here to Email Gary Cox     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah that's it. OOPS! Mine is 5 years old 12'5" and rating states 225. Guess they've made them even stronger.

Have you tried it yet? I'm dying to know.
Great conversation piece.

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posted February 17, 2005 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry Peck   Click Here to Email Jerry Peck     Edit/Delete Message
I used it on Wed. inspection to get on the roof. I'll stick to my Little Giant for that. At 12 1/2' it just made to where I needed to place it, and it was a bit flexible at that full length. I could also tell that, if there was any wind at all, the ladder would blow over and I'd be stuck getting down. I would need a tie-off rope for that ladder.

I'll keep using my LG for roofs (first roofs, the Telesteps will be for the next roof up, but now I know I need a tie-off rope, especially for that next roof up).

Inside, I used my LG for all three attics, one of which was VERY tight, but I am used to opening the LG and turning it as I open it into the tight closet. Once opened, I can extend it if needed. The Telesteps may have worker a little better in that closet because, when the ladder was opened and against the wall, I barely, and that means squeezing by front to back between the ladder and closet door header, got past the closet door header. The Telesteps would likely have flexed a bit there, allowing me a tad more room.

Of course, once I got past the header and my head in the attic, I was looking at the gable end about 8" away, and had no room to twist around and look into the attic behind me, let alone get in it. I was able to turn about 60 degrees and twist my head another 60 degrees, giving me a glimpse of what was behind me. So I took my digital camera and faced it backwards toward that attic and took a couple of photos.

Hmmm ... what's all that lint stuff on the roof sheathing (no way to see what it was, but I could see it, and there it was in the photo. Got down and looked in the adjoining bathroom about under where that was and, lo and behold, there was an exhaust fan. Idea light comes on! It's exhausting to the attic.

I'll be using it this weekend on our camper too, so when I check back on Mon. night, I'll let you know more about it.

I'll annoy you guys and gals a few more times before we leave tomorrow, but you will have a long weekend free of me - Fri., Sat., Sun., and Mon.

Y'all play fair now, I'll count the dead bodies when I get back.

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Jerry Peck
South Florida

Richard Moore
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posted February 17, 2005 08:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard Moore   Click Here to Email Richard Moore     Edit/Delete Message
"Remember when opening to start with the top rung and go out. ..."

Only if you are planning on extending it fully! Anything less, you must start extending from the bottom.

I love my telesteps, and often leave the LG on the roof rack. But I have to agree that it can be a little shakey getting off a roof unless you have it "cornered" in a bump-out or something. More than once I've asked my client to hold it as I dismount. Maybe someone will come out with a pair of fold-out stabilizing feet to give it some width at the bottom?

Richard M.

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Steve Czubinski
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posted February 18, 2005 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve Czubinski   Click Here to Email Steve Czubinski     Edit/Delete Message
Professional Equipment is selling a lighter, non-conductive version of the LG. http://www.professionalequipment.com/xq/ASP/ProductID.1845/id.11/qx/default.htm
The "lighter version" weighs only 1lb. less.

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Gary Cox
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posted February 19, 2005 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gary Cox   Click Here to Email Gary Cox     Edit/Delete Message
Richard...man I can't beleive I mis-spoke about extending out the Telesteps. You are right. I do it right every day and would never do as I said in my earlier post.

To extend the ladder DO NOT start with the top and pull out. You MUST start with the lowest and pull upward. That is the only safe way to use the ladder.

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posted February 22, 2005 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry Peck   Click Here to Email Jerry Peck     Edit/Delete Message
Gary,

"To extend the ladder DO NOT start with the top and pull out. You MUST start with the lowest and pull upward. That is the only safe way to use the ladder."

UNLESS you plan on extending it all the way, and then you CAN extend it by pulling out the top one first, then each successive one, working your way down as the ladder extends upward.

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Jerry Peck
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Gary Cox
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posted February 23, 2005 05:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gary Cox   Click Here to Email Gary Cox     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry Jerry,

Oh the drawback of the internet...or perhaps just my ability to explain.

Read the instructions that came with the ladder. When you open the ladder, place your foot on the bottom and grasp the thickest portion of the ladder (bottom rung). Hold that bottom rung and lift all rungs up together and click in place as you pull them up as far as you need. If not all the way it is VERY important to quarter extend the next higher rung out until it clicks. This insures that all clips are locked in place inside the ladder. Hope that helps.


I've perfected this ladder to the point where I look like a Bruce Lee movie when I pull it out.

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posted February 25, 2005 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry Peck   Click Here to Email Jerry Peck     Edit/Delete Message
Gary,

Sorry for the delay in responding, I had to look at my ladder to see what it says. On the top rung it says 'Never open ladder from top UNLESS fully extending the ladder.'

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posted February 26, 2005 09:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gary Cox   Click Here to Email Gary Cox     Edit/Delete Message
I'm starting to think my old Telesteps has been improved. Darn.

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posted February 28, 2005 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve Costa   Click Here to Email Steve Costa     Edit/Delete Message
Mike, I have a LG knockoff, very well bit, it is a JAWS JJT17 by Featherlite Industries, only weighs 25.5lbs, about half of an LG. Its type 1, 250#.I paid $240 for it. The 1A 300# is a JLT18 and weighs 36lbs. Unsure of the price, I think they can be found online from the Louisville Ladder Co.

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posted February 28, 2005 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gary Cox   Click Here to Email Gary Cox     Edit/Delete Message
Steve, Looks like a great product. Featherlite ladder Company makes and sells them online. Looks like you bought the 14.6" version. 23.5 lbs. is pretty light.
The 23 footer is 50 pounds.

Can't pry me away from a Telesteps but boy I'm impressed. Very light ladder just too bulky compared to my 12 footer that carries under my arm at 23 pounds.

Better base of support on yours, like the LG.

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posted February 28, 2005 08:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nick Ostrowski   Click Here to Email Nick Ostrowski     Edit/Delete Message
An FYI for anybody who owns an Xtend n'Climb telescopic ladder. My ladder has gotten progressively more difficult to extend and compress as the lubrication that was on the ladder when I got it has since worn off. I contacted the manufacturer and asked what type of lubricant they would recommend to help restore the sliding action. They recommended using a Lemon Pledge furniture polish wipe on the stiles.

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posted February 28, 2005 08:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gary Cox   Click Here to Email Gary Cox     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Nick,

Telesteps has the same issue. I wd-40 it every summer.
Question about your extend-n-climb.
When it's fully extended, can you release the rungs and the whole thing slides down?
Must you release one rung at a time?

GC.

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posted March 01, 2005 08:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nick Ostrowski   Click Here to Email Nick Ostrowski     Edit/Delete Message
Gary, the Xn'C only comes down one rung at a time. It makes for slower collapsing of the ladder but it comes in handy if I overextended the ladder for an area like an attic access hatch in a closet ceiling and need to drop it a notch or so.

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posted March 01, 2005 07:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gary Cox   Click Here to Email Gary Cox     Edit/Delete Message
That is an advantage over my Telesteps in one manor. I cannot put the ladder up...then adjust down. It must be brought down all the way and start over to the height I want. Not a big deal.
I do like the quick release on the Telesteps. You pull two rings and the whole ladder comes down cling cling cling.

A SWAT guy I did an inspection for told me they use them. I said, "doesn't all that noise cause a problem when your bringin' down the ladder?"

Behind his cool dark shades he said :We don't really care how loud it is comin' down."

Great true story. Mr. David Bowers. SWAT Instructor on Telesteps ladders.

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posted March 02, 2005 06:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nick Ostrowski   Click Here to Email Nick Ostrowski     Edit/Delete Message
Another FYI - I was at Home Depot yesterday and saw that they now carry the Xtend n' Climb 12.5' ladder. Price was very good too - $179.95. Once I'm able to start taking work again, I may pick up another one to keep at home while the other stays in the car.

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I bought the Telesteps and still mostly use my Little Giant - I find the 12.5' of the Telesteps are a few feet short of most roofs I want to get on.

I'll stop by Home Depot and get an Extend-N-Climb for my, er, 'other use'. Then I can compare them and decide which to keep where.

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posted March 02, 2005 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gary Cox   Click Here to Email Gary Cox     Edit/Delete Message
LG for roofs, Tele for attics sounds like a plan.
Telesteps keeps you from having to lug that heavy ladder upstairs.

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posted March 02, 2005 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for neal lewis     Edit/Delete Message
I bought the Extend and Climb at Ace Hardware for about $120 on sale in the fall. I have only used it once and it is definitely not as strong as the LG. I keep it in a plastic garbage bag in the trunk, because I expected the dirt would interfere with the collapsing.

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posted March 02, 2005 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry Peck   Click Here to Email Jerry Peck     Edit/Delete Message
Neal,

"I have only used it once and it is definitely not as strong as the LG. I keep it in a plastic garbage bag ... "

Are you trying to tell me something if I read between the lines?

I find the Little Giant best for most attics too. I set the LG up as an 'A' (it goes to an 8' 'A'), open the attic hatch, then presto-chango-flipo, the LG is extended up through the opening. With the Telesteps, opening the attic access cover would be a real chore on most of my attic.

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posted March 02, 2005 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gary Cox   Click Here to Email Gary Cox     Edit/Delete Message
Neal, LG is a tougher built ladder but a monster to lug around. Extend-n-climb is a little more of a hassle in that you must release rungs one at a time.
I'm 200lbs and after 4-5 years of a Telesteps...I've yet to have it fail on me.
Oh Well, old habits die hard. LOL

Jerry,
Next time you confront an attic hatch, simply extend the Telesteps out far enough to rest against door frame. Climb up, set cover aside...then extend the ladder into the attic.
When your done..climb down i/4 way, place the cover in the well and rest the back of the cover on the top of the ladder...climb down, release your rings and presto...here comes the ladder and the cover falls in place to the amazement of those who watch you do it.
If the cover is tight...release ladder and use the ladder to place cover.
All this is so easy.
I've used the LG heavy ladders and will never lug one up the stairs again...but then again...to each his own.
Good luck.

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posted March 02, 2005 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry Peck   Click Here to Email Jerry Peck     Edit/Delete Message
Gary,

Most of my attic access covers are no where near the wall (out in the center of the room). That's why I set my LG up as an 'A'.

I do let many covers down that way, prop the cover in place on one end, lay other end on top of LG legs, climb down to floor and slowly lower the LG, letting the cover settle into place. You are right about everyone being amazed at that, most say 'Bet you can't get it in place like that, at about which time the cover slips nicely down onto the weather strip and trim and to their 'Wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it'.

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posted March 11, 2005 07:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bill Wieczorek   Click Here to Email Bill Wieczorek     Edit/Delete Message
They have a version of the LG by Werner at Lowe's for $200 at

What does LG stand for, I hear you all using that term ?

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posted March 11, 2005 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Patterson   Click Here to Email Scott Patterson     Edit/Delete Message
LG stands for Little Giant manufactured by Wing Industries.
http://www.ladders.com

Another seller:
http://www.littlegiantdiscount.com/index.php

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posted March 11, 2005 08:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry Peck   Click Here to Email Jerry Peck     Edit/Delete Message
I have the 17' and 26' LG ones.

The 17' if perfect for most things.

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posted March 12, 2005 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gary Cox   Click Here to Email Gary Cox     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Jerry,

Next time you get an attic hatch like in a garage...out there away from the wall, simply extend your ladder out (not all the way-just enough to pick up the ladder and push the lid away)..with the cover out of the way...extend as far as you need to and set it up in there.
I do it all the time. No A Frame stuff...I walk right up.

Do you have a high 8mm video camera per chance. I'm tempted to video tape it and send it to ya.

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posted March 12, 2005 08:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry Peck   Click Here to Email Jerry Peck     Edit/Delete Message
Gary,

I know exactly what you are talking about doing, I've done it a few times with my LG. The problem is that down here (in Florida), the attic hatch opening is weather stripped (required to be, and usually are on newer homes), so the attic cover sticks down. Also, the covers are typically painted in place and stuck with the paint. Add to that the fact that there should also be insulation on them (also a requirement), batt insulation gets in the way and loose fill falls down all over you (and loose fill will have - should have - a batt on the cover also). Just not as easy as it sounds (or as easy as yours may be - trust me, I've done it, tried it, and mostly *not* been able to do it, or, if I can, *not* without creating a big mess).

With the LG, I set it up as an 8' tall 'A' step ladder, remove the cover (many times having to beat it with my fist to get it unstuck) then gently move it to one side to try to make as little mess as possible.

Then, I close and collapse the LG, open the LG as a straight ladder, then extend it up into the opening.

I frequently close the covers by laying the cover in place at one end and lowering the other end with the LG as I bring the LG down.

Going up is much harder to do, at least the ones I have, mostly stuck in place.

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posted March 12, 2005 08:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Larson   Click Here to Email Ken Larson     Edit/Delete Message
Just started using my new Telesteps this past week and absolutely love it. Never break off another ladder from the truck. I may just retire my other two ladders. ;-)

I don't know which is more fun...me using the ladder or watching the faces of the people at the inspection when they see me open it up and close it down. Heck if I had a couple dozen of them puppies I could sell them instantly off the back of my truck to the clients and Realtors who just drool over mine.

Ken

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posted March 13, 2005 05:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joe Griffin   Click Here to Email Joe Griffin     Edit/Delete Message
Ken, I did retire two ladders last yr. when I got mine. No more six ft. fixed and 16 ft. adjustable. They are gathering dust in my garage. What a ladder.

I have given out the website info a hundred times at least in the last year. I may buy stock in Telesteps.

Make sure you glue the feet in, they always fall out!

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posted March 13, 2005 07:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry Peck   Click Here to Email Jerry Peck     Edit/Delete Message
Joe,

"I did retire two ladders last yr. when I got mine. No more six ft. fixed and 16 ft. adjustable."

Okay, I can understand how the 12 1/5' Telesteps can replace the 6' straight fixed ladder (but not why you would have one to start with) but I can't figure out how a 12 1/2' ladder (ANY 12 1/2' ladder) can replace a 17' ladder. THAT is why I seldom use my new Telesteps, it is too short for most of my uses.

I can see my using it almost exclusively for situations where I need to go from one roof to a higher roof, it does work good for that, light and easy to carry up the roof (but I need to tie it with a rope so it does not blow over on a breezy day).

If you 6' was a step ladder (and not a fixed straight ladder), I don't see how the Telesteps replaces that. I believe Telesteps also makes a 'step ladder', basically two Telesteps connected together at the top and make an 'A' frame ladder when opened.

Too bad the Telesteps is not strong enough to be hinged like the LG, NOW THAT would be a ladder, a Telesteps LG.

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posted March 13, 2005 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Larson   Click Here to Email Ken Larson     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, "retire" is a strong word. I do commercial jobs from time to time and I must have my 24' handy for those jobs.

But, overall the last 4 houses I did I didn't need anything but the Telesteps. so that speeds things up a hair. It can be tricky when you really require an A-frame ladder for lack of a wall close enough to use the Telesteps but I've managed well so far.

Ken

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posted March 13, 2005 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry Peck   Click Here to Email Jerry Peck     Edit/Delete Message
Ken,

"It can be tricky when you really require an A-frame ladder for lack of a wall close enough to use the Telesteps but I've managed well so far."

And you ride a unicycle too, right?

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posted March 13, 2005 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ted Rodgers   Click Here to Email Ted Rodgers     Edit/Delete Message
Jerry,

What method do you use to extend your LG?

I just got my LG 22' this week. In the DVD that came with the ladder there is a demo on how to open it to an extension ladder.

They use a smaller ladder in the demo than the 22' I have, and I can not open it as they show. All is well until the last part - extending the lower part to get the full height. It's just too heavy to lift rung by rung as they show.

Seems like I once read a post from you about a pully or something you rigged up to extend the 26.

And what about your 17. Does that one go up easier? At 34 seconds, it must...

Thanks,

Ted - Atlanta

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posted March 13, 2005 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gary Cox   Click Here to Email Gary Cox     Edit/Delete Message
Jerry,

Sealed hatch, painted, insulated..oh man...there's no way the Telesteps could help. In Virginia hatch covers are loose, rarely have insulation batt on top (usually three feet away in the loose fill LOL)

Sounds like a job for "THE LITTLE GIANT."

Telesteps now makes a small 5 1/2 foot A frame ladder 24 lbs.s. Pretty cool. Saw it on a tool site.

PS: Amazing: My brother in law had a home inspection in N.C. last week in New Bern?
Said the guy does not use a ladder on home inspections!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Chip, did he look in the attic? No, he just told me what was up there."
"Did he get on the roof?"
"No, he said a roof that new should be fine."

Oh my God, and here we are trying to convince one another which ladder is best ...
Man oh man LOL!

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posted March 13, 2005 06:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry Peck   Click Here to Email Jerry Peck     Edit/Delete Message
Ted,

This is how I open my LG (never did see any instructions):

To extend it out:

Start with LG closed and collapsed.

Release locking hinge and open until locking hinge re-locks. Release locking hinge and open straight, lifting ladder past you (for leverage) then up vertically until the locking hinge re-locks.

Holding ladder in front of you, take a step or two backward, release the UPPER locking pins for the extension part, then, as you walk backwards, pull the TOP extension part out all the way, then lock the locking pins for the top extension section.

Now I walk the ladder straight up vertically (I do all of this near where I want to set the ladder if at all possible), then eyeball the height. Do I need to extend it further? If yes, then release the lower locking pins for the lower extension, raising the ladder up inside the lower outer extension section, locking the pins when I think I have it high enough. If I need to go higher, I pull the lower locking pins (holding, of course, the inner extended section of ladder) then lift the inner section further.

Now, my 26' footer is a monster for one person to handle.

I basically handle it the same way up to a point, except that I must be VERY careful not to grab it below the balance point, and on the 26 footer, I can barely reach above that balance point.

The point things change is once the upper section is extended and the ladder is in place. I found it exceptionally difficult to raise the weight of the entire ladder up through the lower extension section. I could do it, but it was a real problem. So I added the rope and pulley system to get the lower section extended up. Works good with the rope and pulley system.

HOWEVER, when coming down, with my 17' one I just release the locking hinges and 'catch' the ladder as it falls closed. The release the locking hinge and close it the rest of the way.

BUT ON THE 26 footer, even collapsed down, the top weighs too much for me to catch (did it once, let me repeat ONCE, almost broke my hand and wrist, hurt for days).

Once the 26 footer is collapsed in on both extensions, I lay the ladder on its side and release the locking hinge, and then (doing both at the same time) lay the ladder over flat and raise the center hinge point up as it goes over, dragging the feet closer together. Once closed to the first re-locking point, I release the locking hinge and close it the rest of the way.

NOW comes almost the hardest part, carrying that sucker back to the truck. It is much heavier going back than it was coming out, never can figure out why.

Your 22' may end up being a compromise between my two methods.

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posted March 13, 2005 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry Peck   Click Here to Email Jerry Peck     Edit/Delete Message
Gary,

"Said the guy does not use a ladder on home inspections!"

Sounds like some termite inspectors I've seen. 'Attic - not accessible' Why? Because they did not bring a ladder, and no ladder means the attic is not accessible. That used to fly, now they will get hit heavy with a fine if they get caught pulling that crap.

I could use the Telesteps if the attic covers were that loose here. No wonder we all have our different preferences.

[edited because I was a blithering idiot on part of the above]

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posted March 13, 2005 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ted Rodgers   Click Here to Email Ted Rodgers     Edit/Delete Message
Jerry,

Thanks for the details. I did a couple of searches and finally found the pictures you posted of your pulley system. Looks like I may have to install one myself.

Telesteps is on my wish list too.

Ted - Atlanta

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posted March 14, 2005 08:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joe Griffin   Click Here to Email Joe Griffin     Edit/Delete Message
Jerry, you questioned my replacing ladders in an earlier post. I had a six foot fixed I would carry in to access attic hatches.

Don't need it now because of the Telesteps.

I carry it in under my arm, no more broken Ming vases.

My 16 ft. adjustable really only allowed me to go 12 ft. or so safely. Don't need that anymore.

My 32 ft. adjustable and Telesteps will take me anywhere I want to go.

I'm lovin life. I measure life now as PT or AT. Pre-telesteps or After-telesteps.

Your experiences may vary.


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posted March 14, 2005 08:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bill Wieczorek   Click Here to Email Bill Wieczorek     Edit/Delete Message
Ok after reading all the ladder comments I'm think the telesteps is for me, after all if its good enough for Jerry Peck how car I go wrong. I looked on Ebay but the Xtend and Climb is also listed as telesteps when I put in the keyword telesteps. Where is the best place to get this item. Don't look like I can get it at Home Deport and Lowes is 50 miles away.

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posted March 14, 2005 09:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joe Griffin   Click Here to Email Joe Griffin     Edit/Delete Message
Bill, try Amazon.com and keyword Telesteps.

I paid $199 a yr. ago. I think the ladder has improved and prices are lower since.

Check it out.


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posted March 14, 2005 12:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bill Wieczorek   Click Here to Email Bill Wieczorek     Edit/Delete Message
Joe:
Looks like the same latter is now $250. on Amazon for the 12.5 foot 225# model

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posted March 14, 2005 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for John Badger   Click Here to Email John Badger     Edit/Delete Message
I bought my Extend & Climb from www,target.com about eight months ago for $177.00. The case was an additional thirty or forty and well worth the price. Iím over 250 lbs and have had no problems; of course Iím careful to stay away from steep angles. I bought some cushions for the legs so I can lean it against walls and open attic hatches. Itís no LG but itís sure easier to travel with.

Johnny

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posted March 14, 2005 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joe Griffin   Click Here to Email Joe Griffin     Edit/Delete Message
Bill, shop around. I have heard they can go for less than that, try Target maybe?

I guess demand drove the prices up, it's the American way!

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posted March 14, 2005 04:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bill Wieczorek   Click Here to Email Bill Wieczorek     Edit/Delete Message
John and Joe

Target only has the Xtend and climb, its 179.99 with free shipping. I was looking for the Telesteps, I think thats a different
latter.

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posted March 14, 2005 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Larson   Click Here to Email Ken Larson     Edit/Delete Message
I got my Telesteps at Ebay just a couple weeks ago, seemed the guy selling them had plenty. Mine was $199.00

Ken

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posted March 14, 2005 08:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gary Cox   Click Here to Email Gary Cox     Edit/Delete Message
Ken,

That price is fantastic IF you got the 12'5" ladder vs. the 10' ladder AND you are not mistaking the TELESTEPS for the "Extend-n-Climb ladder.

If you got a 12'5" at $199. AMAZING.
I think I paid $320.00 about five years ago when they were still only avail. on cop SWAT sites.

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posted March 14, 2005 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry Peck   Click Here to Email Jerry Peck     Edit/Delete Message
Gary,

That's like my 26' LG. It was $550 (list) when I bought it 6-8 years ago. Now I think I saw they were $455 list.

I bought mine at a home show here, paid $380 for it (the representatives who display them at the home shows do not like to ship them back, they'd rather sell them at a good discount first - plus, you don't have to pay any freight on it).

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posted March 15, 2005 05:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bill Wieczorek   Click Here to Email Bill Wieczorek     Edit/Delete Message
The best price I found the Telesteps as of yesterday is $249.00 which includes shippping,that was on Ebay. You can bidding started at $199.00 plus $20.00 shipping. As of this AM this bid is still $199.00
Went to Home Depot, they do not carry Telesteps, they do carry Xtend and Climb.

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posted March 15, 2005 05:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gary Cox   Click Here to Email Gary Cox     Edit/Delete Message
Fellow inspector friend just purchased the very cool black Telesteps. Very SWAT.
I said, "Where are the feet?"
"Oh man, I lost them already. I've looked everywhere."

GLUE THE FEET ON.
If you keep your ladder behind your truck/car seat and you adjust your seat from time to time...it's amazing how the seat grabs and pulls the feet off...when you pull out the ladder to go in a house.
Liquid nails fixed that problem!

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posted March 16, 2005 07:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Larson   Click Here to Email Ken Larson     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, seems that's the person I ordered mine from on Ebay, $199 + a 20 for S&H. Noboby bid against me. Got it in 4 days. Made in Sweden. 12 1/2 ft. rated to 250 lbs. Brand new still in the box.

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I'm Happy! ;-)

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posted March 16, 2005 07:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry Peck   Click Here to Email Jerry Peck     Edit/Delete Message
Ken,

Do what I did, before I ever used it, glue the feet on.

I used 4 small dabs of adhesive caulking on each one, so I can get them when I want to, but they won't fall out on their own.

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Ken Larson
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posted March 16, 2005 07:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Larson   Click Here to Email Ken Larson     Edit/Delete Message
Already got it done. Read that post earlier from someone. Very good idea. Thanks!

Ken

Gary Cox
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posted March 16, 2005 08:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gary Cox   Click Here to Email Gary Cox     Edit/Delete Message
Brand spankin' new!

Another tip: Few years ago the dang pull rings pulled out. One of them went through my finger when I pulled it down.

I went to Depot, got some flex steel wire and two climbing hooks (Camping style bright blue)...and replaced the cheap rings with that set-up. Much better. Still in place three years or so.

Another surprise I got was during an inspection when all of a sudden all this plastic crap came rollin' out the bottom of the legs. The feet had come off and all this plastc white and yellow stuff all over a seller's floor.

I freaked. Was afraid to use the darn thing.
I got on the horn to the main distributer in New York.
Guy said..."Oh don't worry about that. Your ladders fine. Those are in each rung to slow down the ladder when you release it."
I told him it seemed fine.
As a matter of fact it comes down faster than it did prior and I love it!

Just a heads up.

Mike Bates
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posted March 18, 2005 06:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Bates   Click Here to Email Mike Bates     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for all the reply's. I'm glad we helped Jerry I went out today and bought a 17' Cosco folding ladder. Just like the LG but a lot cheaper ($149).

I unfolded it when I got home put it up against my house and climbed. I hope I can get used to the flex in it at the top. I did not feel comfortable on my first trip up.

As I was sliding it down I about damaged some fingers (just missed). I guess it will take some uses before I feel comfortable with it.

Thanks for all the help!!!
Mike

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posted March 18, 2005 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rick Hurst   Click Here to Email Rick Hurst     Edit/Delete Message
Isn't the telesteps ladder the one on the Home Shopping Network where the guy fell off the ladder and busted his arse?

Ken Bates
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posted March 18, 2005 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Bates   Click Here to Email Ken Bates     Edit/Delete Message
Thereís some info about some of the ladders discussed above that is not fully congruent with the facts. First, if you are considering saving money by buying rip-off copies of the LITTLE GIANT such as a GORILLA look-alike, take a good look at the GORILLA and buy the LITTLE GIANT.

ďTELESTEPSĒ was a Swedish product. Built like a Swiss watch. A few years ago, Len Silverman, from New York, started a licensed business that made poor copies of the Swedish original (i.e. with license from the Swedish company) and they were marketed via Home Depot. After a few months and many defective returns, Home Depot stopped offering Lenís licensed copies. Today, (3/18/05) I was informed by a rep. from a major tool distributor that the Swedish company sold its patent rights to a Japanese company.

A few days ago, when I was in Home Depot, I saw one of the Telesteps clones made in china and checked it out. What a piece of wobbly junk that is not as compact as the original Swedish version.

Len asked me to evaluate the American clone and I figured out what was wrong with it and the original Swedish version. I now own one of the very rare improved Swedish versions that corrected the problem with the inner plastic sleeves.

Bottom line: Hold out for the Japanese version or if you can find the last Swedish version ( has a ring-like impression in the base ) buy it. Avoid all others. Your life could depend on it!!

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posted March 18, 2005 08:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gary Cox   Click Here to Email Gary Cox     Edit/Delete Message
Ken..great research! I purchased mine about 5 years ago and it says "Made in Sweeden" on it. Is the the good model?
Scares me to think I could not purchase it again someday. The plastic inserts fell out.
Works better without it and a tad lighter to boot!

The story of a guy falling on the Telesteps is true. During a televised commercial some stock room guy fell off of it live on air.

Best ladder I've ever used.

Ken Bates
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posted March 19, 2005 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Bates   Click Here to Email Ken Bates     Edit/Delete Message
Dear Gary,

Yours is one of the oldies and goodies but not necessarilly the the "Best."

The problem is: with the original ladders, if you were leap-frogging and pulled the telesteps up by a top rung/step you could screw up the inner plastic glides. I did this with my first Swedish TELESTEPS and Len Silverman sent me an updated replacement (with the embossed impression that keeps the inner rings in place. Actually I figured out what the problem was by putting the steps into a not common use (i.e. leapfrogging with only them.) Now I use a very light (and no longer available, 2 piece 16 foot extension by Werner)to leap-frog with the telesteps.

So do not pull the Telesteps up by upper rungs/steps and all should stay well.

Ken

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Ken Bates
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posted March 19, 2005 06:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Bates   Click Here to Email Ken Bates     Edit/Delete Message
Some advice was given regarding the foot pads falling off of TELESTEPS ladders. When my feet started falling of I used adhesives and then adhesives with toothpicks as pressure shims. Worked for a while but they still fell off. The Pressure created when you step on the ladder breaks the bond.

So, I drilled 2 holes at each base and scewed the pads in.

Also, while I found the Chinese version (X-tend & climb?) of the TELESTEPS flimsy, I was impressed with their foot pads.

I own a 32 and 28 foot aluminum extension ladder that I can transport easily on the roof racks that I built and installed on my 1983 Subaru station wagon. But I have become spoiled driving my 2004 Rav4 (which isn't designed for carrying serious roof loads) so I am imagineering a way to attach the telesteps to a 16 foot extesible that I can attach to the Rav roof rack and create a composite that will get a 175 person safely to the 2 story roof. Will repost if I do it. Anyone know of some means of attaching a 28 foot ladder to a Rav4 or any newer vehicle that does not have rain gutters?

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posted April 02, 2005 08:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry Peck   Click Here to Email Jerry Peck     Edit/Delete Message
Why I do not use my Telesteps very much.

Bottom resting on floor

Fully extended, top is just tall enough

My 17 LG works much better. I still have a need for it, when I go from roof to higher roof, but it is of limited use (to me).

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posted April 02, 2005 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for John Badger   Click Here to Email John Badger     Edit/Delete Message
I purchased an Xtend and climb ladder awhile back and love it. Now I notice everyone here is talking more about the Telesteps ladder and it makes me wonder if I should have compared them more. Am I missing something? Should I give it away to the first person that ask for it and run out and purchase a Telestep?

So far the feet are staying on and it does seems stable enough.

Johnny

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posted April 02, 2005 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob White   Click Here to Email Bob White     Edit/Delete Message
I've been using the xtend and climb 12 1/2' and it's great.

I am eyeballing one of those LG types, though, to replace my 20'extension.

Ken Bates
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posted April 07, 2005 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Bates   Click Here to Email Ken Bates     Edit/Delete Message
About a week ago, I connected two (2) 16 foot Werner extension ladders (about $70 each)to create a 23 foot ladder. I did not connect them so they would provide a full 26 foot extension (3 feet for the overlaps).

I weigh 173 pounds. When I get the courage I will try my Rube Goldberg at the full potential of 26 feet. Imagine carrying 2 very light 8 foot ladders and climbing 26 feet. The connecting hardware is available at most hardware stores for less than $8.00.

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posted April 08, 2005 04:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dom D'Agostino   Click Here to Email Dom D'Agostino     Edit/Delete Message
Hey Ken, should we watch the news for the following?:

"Local Home Inspector falls from a homemade ladder, film at 11:00..."

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posted April 09, 2005 07:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Russel Ray   Click Here to Email Russel Ray     Edit/Delete Message
I have experience with Little Giant, Telesteps, and Extend-N-Climb.

For heavy duty, daily use, I think the Extend-N-Climb is the much better ladder. Everyone around here constantly pinched their fingers with the Telesteps, even after reading the instructions, and even after pinching themselves multiple times.

The Extend-N-Climb design means fewer pinched fingers. In fact, since we switched to the Extend-N-Climb, I don't believe a single employee has pinched his fingers, and we've been with Extend-N-Climb for over a year now.

I have a Little Giant in the back yard which never gets used for anything anymore. However, I pulled it out to climb the hillside in the back yard to pull weeds after 21 inches of rain in six weeks. I rarely cuss, but the world could have heard me cussing last weekend. Those things are atrocious to set up. I eventually threw it down the other hillside and set the Extend-N-Climb up instead.

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posted April 09, 2005 07:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry Peck   Click Here to Email Jerry Peck     Edit/Delete Message
"I have a Little Giant in the back yard which never gets used for anything anymore. However, I pulled it out to climb the hillside in the back yard to pull weeds after 21 inches of rain in six weeks. I rarely cuss, but the world could have heard me cussing last weekend. Those things are atrocious to set up."

Maybe I need to give classes on, or make a video on, setting a Little Giant up? They are soooo easy to set up, I just cannot imagine what problems one can have (well, I can imagine, I saw an inspector friend of mine do a contortion act with his, setting his up - Jeff was there to watch too - better than Cirque du Soleil acts).

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posted April 09, 2005 09:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rick Hurst   Click Here to Email Rick Hurst     Edit/Delete Message
Always a classic if you have hi speed internet.
http://www.StupidVideos.com/?VideoID=674

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posted April 11, 2005 10:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mark Jones   Click Here to Email Mark Jones     Edit/Delete Message
I use the xtend and climb 12 1/2' and it's a great all-around ladder. It would be ideal, (except for the inconvenience!) to carry all the ladders I used to, but why when I can get by 99% of the time with this one?
It would also be ideal to see photos of the home before the inspection so I could know which extra ladder I might need. LOL!

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posted April 11, 2005 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry Peck   Click Here to Email Jerry Peck     Edit/Delete Message
I carried ONE ladder for about 8 years, my 17 foot Little Giant.

After risking my neck, and butt, too many times over that 8 years, I bought a 26 foot Little Giant. The last 7 years I've carried those two and gotten everywhere I really needed to get except two roofs, both way to high even for my 26 footer.

But, I've ALWAYS hated bringing my ladder up the roof to leap frog roof to roof. That is the main reason I bought the Telesteps for, and, after using it a couple of times, it is just not 'enough ladder' (too flimsy and too short) for me to use as may everyday ladder. I'm still waiting for my intended use of the Telesteps to come up, roof to roof, where I will carry the Telesteps up to get on the upper roof. It's light enough to carry easily, but is it too light where it will get blown down and leave me stranded? Sure hope not.

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Ken Bates
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posted April 15, 2005 10:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Bates   Click Here to Email Ken Bates     Edit/Delete Message
Here's an update from my 4/07 posting.

I am still alive ( although some would wish otherwise and I weigh 177 not 173lbs as indicated at a recent physical exam )

A few days ago I challenged 2 jury-rigged Werner D716-2 ladders that are rated for 200 lbs.

The tight urban environment would not allow the introduction of a proper 28 ft extension ladder through the house and into the small, tight fenced in back yard. ( commercial bldg. at rear and 2 very high abutting fences on left and right.) So, using left and right hands I transported 2 extremely light (in all respects) Werner 16 foot ladders to the back yard and yoked them together and got on the roof of this 2 story. I could have created 2 more feet of extension but did not need it.

Cons: still prefer the safety of my 28 and 32 foot extension ladders.

Pros: Put them on almost all vehicle roofs and even inside most vehicles. Do not extend beyond front and rear of vehicle. A few days earlier a Trailer truck driver at a parking lot almost smashed into my 28 footer which would have damaged more than just the ladder (e.g. roof racks and vehicle, etc.)

You have 2 leap froggers. You can damage (render inoperable) Telesteps if you leapfrog with them.

The Werner 716-2 is so light that you can easily carry it through most interior spaces and you can easily separate the 2 sections if needed.

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posted April 16, 2005 06:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bill Wieczorek   Click Here to Email Bill Wieczorek     Edit/Delete Message
I recently bought the telesteps on Ebay. No bargin but I wasn't ripped off either. Its really nice and light, easy to carry ect. Its is not as substancial as the LG. I only weight 160, when climbing I don't feel real comfy but its great when you don't have to open it all the way. Ladders with wider stances are much better. Still, I not sorry I bought it.

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posted April 16, 2005 07:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry Peck   Click Here to Email Jerry Peck     Edit/Delete Message
Ken,

I always try to be kind, but .... ARE YOU CRAZY! OR WHAT?

"A few days ago I challenged 2 jury-rigged Werner D716-2 ladders that are rated for 200 lbs."

They are rated for 200 pounds when EACH one is supported at the bottom and no more than 3 feet down from the end.

THERE IS NO (*No*) rating for being slipped together and supported at one end, doubled in length, then supported at the other end. With no center support, you will be frantically trying to 'air walk' one day ('air walking' only works when one is weightless, otherwise, gravity wins).

Try this (the simple way to look at what you are doing):

Place a 6 foot 1x12 on two saw horses and walk out to the middle.

Now, screw, bolt, whatever, two of those 6 foot 1x12 together with about a 1 foot lap, and rest one end of one on one saw horse and the other end of the other one on the other saw horse - then walk out to the middle.

Now do that up high.

It's your life man, not mine, but AIN'T NO WAY I WOULD DO THAT with those two ladders. AND I've, admittedly, done some very stupid things during my life as a kid, a smart-aleck teenager, contractor and as an inspector - but I never did that.

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Rick Bunzel
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posted April 16, 2005 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rick Bunzel   Click Here to Email Rick Bunzel     Edit/Delete Message
Gotta agree with Jerry's logic. The manufacturer did not design these ladders to work together. Think of the hinges and locking mechanisms - the added stress was probably way more than the design specs. If ladder setup had failed and you took a 20ft fall, would it be worth the fee? Not in my book!

//Rick

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posted April 16, 2005 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joseph Burkeson   Click Here to Email Joseph Burkeson     Edit/Delete Message
All,

This is a great thread, I learned much, thanks.

When I first got into business my inspection vehicle was a 2002 Jeep Wrangler. The only ladder that would fit was the X&C, didn't know about the TeleSteps and the LG was out of the question, I just don't like that ladder.

We now have a 2005 Honda element and space is no longer an issue, but I have never looked back or regretted purchasing the X&C, this ladder is still a hot topic with my clients and a great ice breaker with the seller, best of all it keeps me off of the 2nd floor roofs.


Joe 1-story Burkeson

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posted April 16, 2005 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry Peck   Click Here to Email Jerry Peck     Edit/Delete Message
Ken,

To be fair and equal, I thought I would share a couple of my 'stupid things I've done AS AN INSPECTOR' (that means *not young and stupid*, just *stupid*).

I used to use Astro vans, and once, to access a high commercial roof with a tall parapet wall surrounding it, I backed my van up to the wall, placed a spare pair of sneakers on the van's roof, and set my 17' LG in the sneakers. JUST reached the top of the parapet wall, giving me access to the roof. DUMB and DUMBER, downright STUPID.

Then (fortunately it was before the above, see, I am getting smarter) there is a certain style quad they built down here which is about 3' higher than my 17' LG goes to. So, wanting to get on those roofs, I would set my 17' LG up in the inside corner, climb to the top, stand on the top rung, and hoist myself up that last 3'. Not too bad, I thought. Of course, getting back down was a bit of a 'courage' challenge, but I got up - I was NOT about to call the fire department to get me down. STUPID. What is even more *STUPID* is that I did that about a dozen times before I finally got wise (read 'too scared to do it') and bought my 26' LG - just for those roofs. My 26' LG has come in very handy on many occasions since then.

See, we may be dumb and young, but no longer being young does not, of and by itself, make us less dumb.

The point of this is "I lived to get smart enough NOT TO DO IT ANYMORE." and I would like to see YOU live to that same point.

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posted April 17, 2005 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Erby Crofutt   Click Here to Email Erby Crofutt     Edit/Delete Message
Hmmm, Darwin at work or Darwin just trying.
www.darwinawards.com

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Ken Bates
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posted April 18, 2005 09:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Bates   Click Here to Email Ken Bates     Edit/Delete Message
Dear Jerry,

Thanks for your input. There's no disputing you have logic, and science on your side.

As a matter of fact I was going to offer the caveat that before setting one foot on this "Rube Goldberg" contraption that one do exactly as you said with the ladders and not jut with wood planks.

I was going to elaborate by saying: After locking them together, set them on concrete blocks or what ever and then step on a rung at mid-span.

If the ladder touches ground (catastrophically or gently) then destroy them and comfort yourself with the thought that you are not as foolish as Ken Bates.

In any event, a means must be devised so that these ladders are never again used as intended i.e. extended. (one may devise a way that nobody could ever use them as intended by the manufacturer but no need to elaborate on that as it is doable)

However, if the ladders survive, then ante up up another $150 for two more.

The Jury rig is actually a set of half inch tie rods/bars which are passed thru the rungs and keep the side rails together using bolts and mending straps/bars.

I bought some strong mending bars and enlaraged the holes to 1/2 inch. One side uses two bolts that are permanently locked on to the tie bar ends. Tie bars are cut to just the right length. A dedicated socket wrench does the tightening. It sets up very quickly.

I have only used this contraption twice and both times I only went to 24 feet of extension and not the full 26.

Also, I used duct tape at the relatively non-critical contact point to deal with lateral movement. I am thinking of adding a little more weight by using 2 more mending straps to bind the side rails in lieu of duct tape (so far I just used duct tape around both sides of the adjoining rungs.

The hardware I rigged is incredibly strong but the D716-2 ladders are almost toys. To be sure, I will not use them at maximum extension and at the optimum recommended angle until I get around to doing the horizontal stress test. I have the Darwin awards book and do not want to gain notoriety by being included in a future edition.

When I posted I knew the reaction that this seemingly insane experiment would engender and thought of elaborating on precisely what I have done and how but I knew it would take a lot of time to do so and I didn't have it then.

So, I will post the results of my fully horizontal stress test as soon as I locate 2 more D716-2's as they are not that common and I have the feeling that the ladders will fail the test. But as I said or intended to say this contraption should never be used by heavy individuals. It's probably only safe for munchkins and elves.

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posted April 22, 2005 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Bates   Click Here to Email Ken Bates     Edit/Delete Message
As promised, I am posting the results of my ladder stress test.

I am happy to say that the results were positive.

I joined two (2) Werner D716-2 using one half inch bolts.

Both ladders were at maximum extension and three (3) rungs overlapped at the point of coupling which created a creature with 22 feet of usable extension (i.e. 22 rungs to step on.)

As previously posted I used this Rube Goldberg twice. And as promised I joined them together and stood on them at mid-span while they were almost perfectly horizontal.

I.e. I rested one end on a less than 3 foot wall and the other on a standard CMU.

My 177 lbs caused the ladders to bow but not to touch Terra Firma.

So, I used these wimpy ladders as a scaffold and no part crumpled.

The inference is that I can use them in a vertical mode with much less stress.

I could not find the instructions for attaching photos but will keep looking after I post this and if I can I will submit them later as they elegantly document that rules can sometimes can be altered, without bones being broken.

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posted April 22, 2005 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Bates   Click Here to Email Ken Bates     Edit/Delete Message
As promised, I am posting the results of my ladder stress test.

I am happy to say that the results were positive.

I joined two (2) Werner D716-2 using one half inch bolts.

Both ladders were at maximum extension and three (3) rungs overlapped at the point of coupling which created a creature with 22 feet of usable extension (i.e. 22 rungs to step on.)

As previously posted I used this Rube Goldberg twice. And as promised I joined them together and stood on them at mid-span while they were almost perfectly horizontal.

I.e. I rested one end on a less than 3 foot wall and the other on a standard CMU.

My 177 lbs caused the ladders to bow but not to touch Terra Firma.

So, I used these wimpy ladders as a scaffold and no part crumpled.

The inference is that I can use them in a vertical mode with much less stress.

I could not find the instructions for attaching photos but will keep looking after I post this and if I can I will submit them later as they elegantly document that rules can sometimes can be altered, without bones being broken.

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posted April 22, 2005 09:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard Rushing   Click Here to Email Richard Rushing     Edit/Delete Message
Ken Bates-- the Red-Green of inspectors!! that was pretty good...

I could actually visualize (in your post) the goofy smile on your face while you were standing on the ladders when in the horizontal mode-- "Hey, I told ya so... this'll work!!"

What a break-thru in engineering. Hell! I'm going to try and improve on your contraption and make one that will extend over my neighbors house.

Rich

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posted April 23, 2005 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Bates   Click Here to Email Ken Bates     Edit/Delete Message
Dear Richard,

Actually, I wasn't thinking I told you so.

It was more like: I am going to trash $150 worth of ladders but I won't be injured at just a foot or so above ground and am I going to keep my promise and 86 them for light duty and purchase 2 new ones or ask my client from a few days ago ( who studies/teaches materials science at MIT ) if I should look at these as tested and proven or fatigued and ready to fail over the rose bushes.

Actually I will consult my client and see what she says.

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posted April 23, 2005 07:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry Peck   Click Here to Email Jerry Peck     Edit/Delete Message
Ken,

Here are your photos, reduced in size as requested.

By the way, how high did you try to bounce on that trampoline?

Nor would I do what you have done with those ladders.

what to use for crazy ladder tricks

how it looks installed

crazy ladder tricks

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posted April 24, 2005 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Bates   Click Here to Email Ken Bates     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Jerry,

Ken Bates

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