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Topic:   HI Schools covered by G.I. Bill? - 3832 visits (1 today, 3 this week)

Keith L. Pruski
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Posts: 7
From:New Orleans LA
Registered: Dec 2005

posted December 19, 2005 02:20 AM            

Been lurking a bit.

I'm a Marine currently in Iraq. I return home next month. Then retire in about another year. Plan on trying to get into HI at that time. I have several rental properties in New Orleans. And my wife is a mortgage broker. HI seems like a natural fit, and I have a good friend down there who is willing to mentor me. He recommended I attend ITA. I was just wondering if anyone knew of an alternative school that accepted the G.I. Bill.

I have tons of questions in anticipation of the school and setting up my business. I have seen the suggestions about doing a search, and have been reading through many threads. I'm still trying to get an idea of what my initial start up cost should be, as well as insurance. I'm also curious as to what types of tools I will need to invest in. Might as well start collecting now

Lots more reading to do..........

I'd appreciate any help given.

Happy Holidays to all.

Charles Gifford
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Posts: 13
From:Jacksonville, FL
Registered: Apr 2001

posted December 19, 2005 04:04 AM            

I appreciate your service and your sacrifice.

Good luck on your new venture. ITA is a class organization and will provide you with a sound foundation.

I have a former 30 year active duty Marine who works for me. A wonderful assest. His work ethic and attention to detail is second to none.

Please shoot me an email at amerispec@bellsouth .net.

Semper Fidelis
Charles

PS, I spent 12 years on active Duty. Served worlwide in all active Divisions.

Erby Crofutt
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Posts: 1114
From:Georgetown, Kentucky
Registered: Mar 2002

posted December 19, 2005 04:09 AM            

Dear Keith,

Thank you for being there. I hope you're back with your family & coonhounds soon.

I know I've put this here before, but want to make it simple for you to find as I'm sure you're time for internet surfing is somewhat limited.

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It is NOT as easy and simple as the “Become a Home Inspector, make $500 - $800 a day” ads from the Home Inspection Schools make it look. They are rather self serving to get new students in the door. There is a high failure rate, some estimate as high as 75%, for starting a home inspection business. The schools don’t mention this because the students would not come in the door and give them bucks. Three years ago, there were over 200 licensed home inspectors in Lexington, KY. In May of 2004, there were only 65 listed on the licensing web site. Lexington no longer offers licensing due to the new state law.

Most home inspectors are one person shops that don’t have room to hire anybody. Plan on doing it all by yourself. Of course, if you have $15,000 or $20,000 you could buy a franchise and get their support in getting started. Still a high failure rate.

While the ads are accurate in that you CAN make $500 - $800 a day, what they don't tell you is that those days are few and far between. You'll be luck to do one inspection a week for the first year or two, and it's kind of tough living on $225 a week. Better have some money in savings or another job.

As any detailed advice I would give you, about becoming a home inspector, could appear to be self serving, I will give very little. But I will point you to the best resources on the internet for getting the advice. It will take you some work to dig it out though. See links at bottom of this message.

Here are some quick message board links to topics about becoming a home inspector.
http://inspectorsjournal.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2250
http://inspectorsjournal.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2251
http://inspectorsjournal.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2252
http://inspectionnews.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/000100.html
http://inspectionnews.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/000003.html

You should get, if you don’t already have, specific knowledge & education about proper application, installation, performance characteristics and failure causes for all the different types of:

1. The way the Lots & grounds & grading affect the structure;

2. Old and New Exterior surface materials and the various components thereof, wood lap, cement asbestos, vinyl, brick, log, masonite, etc;

3. Old and New Roofing materials, including gutter systems, downspouts, and leader extensions;

4. The complete electrical system from the Service Drop to the outlet, including the different brands & models of panels, wiring types & sizes & ampacity, required locations for the different types of switches & outlets, etc. (all systems from Knob & Tube to present day systems)

5. Structural components of the home from the roof framing to the foundation walls (including crawling thru the attics and crawl spaces);

6. Heating Systems, including flues and ductwork requirements;

7. Air Conditioning Systems;

8. Fireplaces / Wood Stoves / Chimneys; (are you familiar with Trimmer Arch Supports? It raised heck with me on the testing I took, i.e. the NHIE – National Home Inspectors Examination).

9. Plumbing Systems; (Complete DWV - (Drain, Waste, Vent) requirements)

10. Water heaters.

11. Kitchen Appliances;

12. Interior construction materials;

13. Laundry Room Applications.

14. Business Management

15. Marketing

16. Taxes & accounting

17. Insurance

18. and I’m sure there’s more I’m missing off the top of my head.

Anyway the resources: (These are nationwide message boards for Home Inspectors.) Search the archives for specific questions or answers before asking questions. A LOT of good advice is contained in the archives that will probably never be repeated.
http://www.nachi.org/bbsystem/index.php
NACHI message Boards
http://inspectionnews.com
Residential Message Boards
http://inspectorsjournal.com/forum/default.asp
The Inspector’s Journal Forum

First, focus on reading the message threads in the General Chit Chat, Insurance, Training, Reporting Systems, Advertising, Legal, Marketing, and Miscellaneous forums. This is where you can learn about the risks and rewards and how to’s of starting a home inspection career. There is a lot of great advice in those messages from Inspectors who have made it, and Inspectors who have failed to make it. It will likely never be adequately repeated anywhere else.

If you truly want to become a Home Inspector, you’ll have to work hard at it. Digging thru this advice in the message board archives (searching) is just the start of the hard work to become successful.

If you still want to do it after reading those threads, then read the Specific Topic threads, such as Electrical, Plumbing, Structural, Roofing, etc.

Good luck in whatever you decide to do. It can be a very rewarding career, but it is a LOT of hard work to get started, be successful, and avoid being sued for sloppy inspections.

Do a LOT of reading in the message archives, did I say a LOT of reading in the archives, before you spend any money on schools or equipment.
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Erby Crofutt
B4U Close Home Inspections & Kentucky Radon Testing
Georgetown, Kentucky

www.b4uclose.com

Robert Schenck
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Posts: 8
From:Whitby, Ontario - Canada
Registered: Dec 2005

posted December 19, 2005 05:50 AM         

Keith,

First I’d like to say thank you for your service as a United States Marine. I’m sure you’re looking forward to getting out of Iraq, back to your home land, and finally into that retirement day. As a former Navy Chief, 24 years active duty, I know personally all of the sacrifices you’ve had to endure. So a big Semper Fi goes out to you and your Brothers in harms way.

I don’t think I could have said it any better than how Erby put it. It is a LOT of hard work, but it’s also a VERY rewarding job. May I offer my two cents worth here? If I were you (and this is only my opinion), seeing how your about to retire from the Marines, I’d first look into getting a job within your specialty. That is, whatever your MO is within the Marines. Especially if you have a family to support.

To go straight into being a Home Inspector after retirement isn’t going to be easy and certainly not a great paying job at first. Even with your pension (depending on where you live), it’s going to be tough to survive on the few and far jobs here and there.

After the Navy, I was working as a Telephone Technician and doing home inspections on the side. Having the Telephone Tech job allowed me to study, research, study, inquire, study… read some more, study some more, and even allowed me to find some Home Inspector mentors.

Finding a good Home Inspector mentor is invaluable. I happen to find a HI that was an ole retired Air Force Pilot. He taught me a lot! In fun, he still gives me crap for being a squid (sailor), but I give it right back to him for being an Air Head – lol. There are HI’s that will want to charge you for tagging along and some that won’t.

I drafted a letter, in regard to looking for a HI mentor, and sent it out to about 20 or so local Home Inspectors. Most didn’t reply, some said sure ….. But for $100 per inspection … and a few came back saying …… sure, I’ll take you out with me for Free.

In the mean time, if you have about a year before retirement, I’d definitely attend the ITA school you were talking about. The VA will cover it under the GI Bill. Then I’d look for a HI mentor and start going out on inspections. On top of having to know what you’re doing as a HI, knowing what to look for, you also need to have some “People Skills” as well. By going out with a mentor, it will give you a taste of what it’s actually like. Anyway, that’s my two cents worth. Good luck !!!

Robert
Roberts Home Inspection Service

P.S. - By reading all of the different threads on this website, you'll also learn a great deal.

Robert Schenck
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Posts: 8
From:Whitby, Ontario - Canada
Registered: Dec 2005

posted December 19, 2005 05:58 AM         

Keith,

Another bit of advice, ... if you plan on doing a lot of reading and posting of threads in this site, make sure your e-mail stays up-to-date ! Otherwise, you have to re-register, and all of previous post counts go back to "0". As I just found out the hard way - lol.

Rob

Keith L. Pruski
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Posts: 7
From:New Orleans LA
Registered: Dec 2005

posted December 19, 2005 06:14 AM            

Gentlemen,

Thanks for your detailed responses. I was a little worried I was going to be jumped on as a Newbie

I have been reading, and I plan on doing a bunch more. Right now, it seems I have more time than anything on my hands. Been here 11 months and ready to roll for sure.

Making the jump is gonna be a big step, and seems intimidating. I'm hoping that my retirement check, my income from the rentals, and the wife's check especially will keep us afloat for the first few years. She seems to be more confident than me that we can make it work.

My job within the Marine Corps is "Maintenance Management". I track all of our ground equipment and everyhing that entails. I know a little about a lot of equipment, but don't know a lot about any one type of equipment. I kinda see that parrallel with HI. Is it?

I'm hoping to do the ITA school next summer. I retire the following Feb. Between the summer and retirement, I'd like to try and get as much experience under a mentor as possible.

I guess I need to check with the VA and see what they will cover.

Again, I appreciate the responses thus far, and look forward to more.

I'll keep reading.....

Erby.........do you know me from Prohound? Man I miss the dogs and nights in the woods.

Keith L. Pruski
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Posts: 7
From:New Orleans LA
Registered: Dec 2005

posted December 19, 2005 06:33 AM            

WOW........what about this response that came to my email?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diligent [mailto:diligent@houston.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 4:52 PM
To: Pruski GySgt Keith L (CSSE CLB2 MMO S4)
Subject: inspection

The market is already glutted with cheap unqualified inspectors. You will be
just another one in the mix. Your assistance in killing George W. Bush's
personal and distant enemies will not qualify you as a viable canidate in
this industry. The war should have never happened. Everyone worldwide knows
that.

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Thank you for your concern. Please continue to enjoy the freedoms that your country is providing you.

Sincerely,
Keith L. Pruski

[This message has been edited by Keith L. Pruski (edited December 19, 2005).]

Gerry Beaumont
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From:Rochester NH & Clearwater FL
Registered: Jan 2003

posted December 19, 2005 06:44 AM            

Hi Keith,

every group of professionals has it's lunatics, unfortunately home inspectors are no different.

Be well, be safe, and thanks for your service.

Regards

Gerry

Al, congratulations on showing what a class act you aren't

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Gerry Beaumont
NACHI Training Consultant
www.nachi.org

Keith L. Pruski
New Member


Posts: 7
From:New Orleans LA
Registered: Dec 2005

posted December 19, 2005 06:54 AM            

Free plug for Mr. Austin's business:
http://www.do-diligent.com/index.html

Since I am originally from San Antonio, and have friends and relatives in Houston, I'll be sure to let them know who you are.

BEN KELLY
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Posts: 121
From:UNION CITY, TN
Registered: Nov 2003

posted December 19, 2005 07:14 AM            

Well, I guess the blanket of protection he provides for Al is not enough! What a Jerk.

Even if you don't suport the war, you could support the service men who left their families for yours!

I will write no more, it is starting to get ugly in my head!

Robert Schenck
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Posts: 8
From:Whitby, Ontario - Canada
Registered: Dec 2005

posted December 19, 2005 07:21 AM         

Keith,

How long have you been in the Corp? As it was with me, I’m sure your feeling the “Retirement Jitters”. I was going through the “What Am I Going Too Do Now” syndrome prior to retiring from the service. Luck had it; I had a retired Marine Corp buddy who helped get me a job as Central Office Switch Technician (fancy name for telephone tech) when I had left the service. Long story short – the telephone company went out of business, and now I’m inspecting full time.

Having your pension, rental properties, and wife with her job, I’m sure you’ll do just fine. And for the idiot who sent you the moronic e-mail? Just take it with a grain of salt. Like Gerry said, there’s a lunatic in every aspect of life. If it wasn’t for people like us, he might not have the luxury of writing ignorant e-mails.

Gerry,

Since I saw your name pop up in here, I just wanted to tell you that the “Roof Training Course” on the NACHI website was great. It was very informative / educational. It would be great to see something on electrical or any other major element of a home as well. You can never get toooo much training. BTW – Did you know this guy who sent Keith the e-mail? It never fails to amaze me the mentality some people have.

Robert
Roberts Home Inspection Service

Mike Boyett
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Posts: 4
From:Austin, Tx
Registered: Dec 2005

posted December 19, 2005 07:45 AM         

Keith,
Please ignore the remarks e-mailed to you from Al Austin the best you can. I've never posted on this BB but felt compelled to register here and reply. I have seen Mr. Austin in action earlier this year at a Texas Real Estate Commission Inspector's Committee meeting and, trust me, he is nothing to be concerned about. He hogged the podium, shirt tail hanging out, hair messed up, making little sense at all with his ramblings. The Committee members looked at each other after he spoke and simply rolled their eyes. Now, don't get me wrong, I support his right to be a moron and know that you are defending his right to do so. You have my utmost respect for that. My son is also Marine veteran of the war and is now continuing to serve his country as a DEA special agent. I fully support you and your mission and will gladly tell Austin that fact. Once my blood pressure has gone down a little bit I will try to e-mail you and answer any questions and give you my experience starting up a HI business here in Texas.

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Mike Boyett
Capital City Inspections
(512) 577-2579

Phil Harvey
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Posts: 1
From:Saginaw Mi
Registered: Mar 2004

posted December 19, 2005 08:03 AM            

Keith,
I don't know about the GI Bill paying for the home inspection courses, but they will reimburse for test fees for the International Code Council www.iccsafe.org code certifications and the National Home Inspectors Examination www.homeinspectionexam.org.

I would recommend running not walking to your base education office and if you haven't finished your associates/bachelors degree to try and get it done prior to retirement. Take all the CLEP and DANTES tests you can as they are free while on active duty. Get your military schools (technical and PME) translated into college credits if possible. If the GI bill won't pay for the home inspection course, take a look at the local community college, most offer construction management or residential courses, electrical, plumbing, HVAC, etc.

I retired as a AF MSgt with 23 years service 6 years ago and am just starting to use my GI Bill entitlements. Don't wait as time will fly by and then some of your benefits will be useless. Check out the VA website www.va.gov and www.gibill.va.gov for other benefits

Phil

Richard Rushing
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Posts: 2822
From:Duncanville, Tx.
Registered: Oct 2003

posted December 19, 2005 09:19 AM            

quote:

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WOW........what about this response that came to my email?

-----Original Message-----
From: Diligent [mailto:diligent@houston.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 4:52 PM
To: Pruski GySgt Keith L (CSSE CLB2 MMO S4)
Subject: inspection

The market is already glutted with cheap unqualified inspectors. You will be
just another one in the mix. Your assistance in killing George W. Bush's
personal and distant enemies will not qualify you as a viable canidate in
this industry. The war should have never happened. Everyone worldwide knows
that.

======

Thank you for your concern. Please continue to enjoy the freedoms that your country is providing you.

Sincerely,
Keith L. Pruski

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Sorry folks... I know it is really close to Christmas and I just got back from Florida or I would have personally stopped in Houston on my way back (after reading the above post) to re-color the end of my boot.

I have served my country as a Staff Sergeant in the 82nd Airborne Division and as an Airborne Ranger. I feel qualified to comment on another perspective relative to that of Bagdad-Bob's opinion (a.k.a Al Austin).

I sincerely hope that if you are wanting to get into the home inspection business, that you will seek mentoring from someone who is unbiased and without simple and narrow minded views, as you recently received via email.

Here is an offer for you. Once you retire and you have completed your courses and you want to do some hands on inspections, you can and may contact me anytime and I will be willing to have you along for a week or so to help in any way I can, so that you can become established and comfortable with your business.

Merry Christmas.

Sincerely,
Richard Rushing

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Richard Rushing
Duncanville, Tx.
richard@aa-inspection.com

Robert Schenck
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From:Whitby, Ontario - Canada
Registered: Dec 2005

posted December 19, 2005 10:09 AM         

Well, so far we have the Army, Navy, Marine Corps and Air Force involved here. Anyone from the U.S. Coast Guard in here to help with the Civil Threat we're up against ? lol

Robert Schenck
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From:Whitby, Ontario - Canada
Registered: Dec 2005

posted December 19, 2005 10:16 AM         

BTW - Don't let the "From:Whitby, Ontario - Canada" throw you off. I'm a full fledged American here. Just happen to be living and working in Canuck Land for awhile.

Wouldn't want you to think I'm a Canadian trying to stir up some trouble down south.

Brian Hannigan
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Posts: 1157
From:San Clemente, CA
Registered: Jan 2001

posted December 19, 2005 11:40 AM            

Hi Keith,

I too would like to welcome you to the board and would like to thank you and the others who have served and are serving our country. I can not thank you enough for the sacrifices you make.

Get home safely and I hope you can find the answers to all your inspection questions here. I wish you the best of luck in your new business.

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Sincerely,

Brian Hannigan

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Helping Inspectors $ucceed Since 1997

Keith L. Pruski
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Posts: 7
From:New Orleans LA
Registered: Dec 2005

posted December 19, 2005 09:41 PM            

Thanks for the replies, and the ton of emails I received. I skimmed through all of them, and there is just a massive amount of information that you guys have sent me. I really appreciate your time and efforts to share your knowledge with me. I hope to reply to everyone individually later today or tommorow. I can't say enough about you guys making me feel comfortable.

On the other hand, my new little buddy here sent me another LONG email full of crap. He also included the below:

Al Austin BSME ENGIDE/ Diligent Enterprises 281-480-3388

Confidentiality Note: The information contained in this message, and any attachments, may contain confidential and/or privileged material. It is intended solely for the person or entity to which it is addressed. Any review, retransmission, dissemination, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer.

What are you so afraid of Mr. Austin?

I also see a couple of emails where you guys have engaged Mr. Austin in conversation via email. I think it is our best bet is to let Mr. Austin continue to exercise his freedom of speech.............with someone else.

Rick Hurst
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Posts: 3789
From:Rockwall, TX
Registered: Oct 2003

posted December 19, 2005 10:09 PM            

Keith,

Welcome to the board and I as many thank you for your work in preserving freedom for us all.

As for as Al's comments I encourage you and others to forward any emails and comments with your name and your present occupation to the Texas Real Estate Commission at: http://www.trec.state.tx.us/

I'm sure TREC would be interested in Al's comments about you not be a canidate for a HI. I don't believe he is correct on the rules set forth by TREC to be stating such hatred and TREC should be informed.

TREC has been trying to help persons such as agents and Hi's in those states affected by the hurricane to be able to work in Texas under certain conditions.

I find Al's comments very unprofessional and I think as HI's we all apologize for his rudeness.

Hope your home soon with your family.

Rick Hurst
Texas

Russel Ray
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Posts: 2764
From:San Diego, California
Registered: May 2002

posted December 20, 2005 02:54 AM            

Hey, Keith.

Everything about you (name, Marines, originally from San Antonio) seems to indicate that you might be a distant relative of mine.

Any relation to the Kirks and Hartmanns in San Antonio and Floresville? Mom's name Mary?

Keith L. Pruski
New Member


Posts: 7
From:New Orleans LA
Registered: Dec 2005

posted December 20, 2005 05:47 AM            

Russell,

I replied to your email. Yes I believe we are related. Not sure if we would be 2d or 3rd cousins. Something like that. "Aunt Agnes Kirk" was my grandmother's (Irma Hartmann Ortmann) sister. My mom is Mary, Irma's youngest daughter. I am the oldest son.

Wow, just a couple of days here, tons of valuable advise, very good emails with refernces, lots of offers to help me, and now a distant relative. Where do I pay?

Maybe Mr. Austin could pay my dues for this year............

Richard Rushing
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Posts: 2822
From:Duncanville, Tx.
Registered: Oct 2003

posted December 20, 2005 06:32 AM            

Nope... Bagdad Bob won't pay for his own use of the board. Or did I just miss his name on the contribution list? If I did, I stand corrected.

I couldn't agree more than with the lateratory comments by Rick Hurst about notifying the TREC.

There is a constitutional right to be as big a jerk as you want by your freedom of speech.

However, there is also a 'god-given' right, which I reserve the right to exercise at a moments notice, to insert my foot in your back-side for being a jerk while exercising your freedom of speech.

Just a question for Al., which do you prefer? Your right or mine?

Isn't it funny. The people who most want their freedom of speech protected as well as their freedom are usually the ones who bitch the loudest about preserving that freedom... yet, do not support the folks who are there to do such a thing. WOW!

Folks, whether or not you agree or disagree with the policies with our country is irrelevant. My biggest complaint is the disrespect that has been shown time and time again to the men and women who serve in the armed forces by the general/ blanket statements of those think everything is black and white or Dem's vs Rep's. That's not the case. The sacrifice should not be just numbers reported daily. The sacrifice is real families apart, and not only at Christmas but MOST OF THE TIME. The sacrifice is the job they are doing vs the real world jobs that they could be doing... like being a professional home inspector.

Politics and this board really do not go together. So, I'll stop the rant. My deal is a true sense of personal embarrassment for the truly good people out here in Texas as well as the inspection community that have to bear the label of someone who in no way is representative of how we, as humans, respond to helping one another.

Hell, if you are not here to help others, why even show up to this board? I guess the answer is to take from it and not give back... That make sense why some people only hang around the Chit-Chat threads and Ethics threads without contributing to the technical threads.

Rant-OUT

Richard

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Richard Rushing
Duncanville, Tx.
richard@aa-inspection.com

Robert Schenck
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From:Whitby, Ontario - Canada
Registered: Dec 2005

posted December 20, 2005 06:34 AM         

Keith,

You've stumbled upon a website (forum) with a wealth of knowledge and insight. I'm always glad to see a fellow military service member join the ranks !

You asked where do you pay ? Hmmmm ? Maybe you can make a contribution to the Austin Rehabilitaion Center for the mentally impaired ?? (Sorry - I couldn't resist that one)

Not only is he sending you e-mails, but I'm also receiving them from him. Wow - What a charactor he is !!

Richard Stanley
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Posts: 769
From:Corpus Christi, TX
Registered: Sep 2002

posted December 20, 2005 07:13 AM            

'can't find that word in my Webster. "lateratory" . I will venture a guess that it means Al Austin is an A&&h@le.

Ed Porter
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Posts: 692
From:Grand Haven, MI
Registered: Jun 2001

posted December 20, 2005 07:21 AM            

I think there are days when poor Al forgets to take his medication, or he sobers up. Either way...the man is a lunatic.

Good luck to you Keith, from someone getting out of the business, to someone getting into the business.

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Ed Porter - NAHI CRI
Cornerstone Home Inspection Services, Inc.
Grand Haven, MI

cshomeinspector.com

Russel Ray
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Posts: 2764
From:San Diego, California
Registered: May 2002

posted December 20, 2005 08:56 AM            

Hey, Keith.

I knew with a name like Pruski and being from San Antonio that it had to be you.

Your Aunt Agnes Kirk is my paternal grandmother, the one who adopted me at the age of 10 and raised me in Kingsville, Texas. So if your grandmother is my great aunt, I think that would make us second cousins? Once I get past first cousins, I get totally confused about relationships.

I sent you a more extensive email.

Jerry Peck
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Posts: 7924
From:Pembroke Pines, FL
Registered: Feb 2003

posted December 20, 2005 10:12 AM            

Russel ... "I get totally confused about relationships"

Yeah, but as long as they work for you, that's okay.

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Jerry Peck
South Florida

Mike Schulz
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Posts: 344
From:Fuquay Varina, NC
Registered: Jan 2003

posted December 20, 2005 12:24 PM            

I say we bring our men back and send "AL" over there to take care of us. He would last about 30 minutes before he would become some towel heads bit@#.....

Keith, Thank you,
You and all servicemen and women make me proud to be a American!

[This message has been edited by Mike Schulz (edited December 20, 2005).]

Buster Foster
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Posts: 50
From:Burleson, Texas
Registered: Jun 2005

posted December 20, 2005 12:53 PM            

Keith,
On behalf of my kids, my wife, my family and community We say THANK YOU and yours for protecting our right to Live and Breathe in the Greatest Nation on Earth. We should all be thankful to the Men and Women of the Armed services for the jobs they do!
Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
Buster

Al Austin
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Posts: 1103
From:Houston Texas
Registered: Jan 2001

posted December 20, 2005 03:45 PM            

Keith and other newbies or want to be newbies:
Seriously, first off you may have a whole lot to learn starting off and it is an endless task to keep good accurate information coming in. After a while a lot of the stuff here is highly redundant, weak, diversionary and somewhat elementary, kind of like KP duty or a high school study session. But then as an inspector you might also always be worried about being sued if you miss something or treat someone wrongly. It is the nature of this country to be quick to sue for big bucks for any reason no matter how trivial.

On a positive note I am sure you will be a perfect candidate for the NACHI association. It is perfect for your current level of experience and you can become a "certified" inspector over night at little or almost no cost out of pocket. Then you are on your way to the big bucks and lots of Realtor friends who will be very happy to give you referrals for reports they will cherish at closing.

Just tell them at NACHI that Nick G. (their Commander in Chief) sent you a freebie offer. I'm sure you will love his military approach and outgoing yet understated personality. NACHI has thousands of "certified members" with similar talents and ambitions as your current ones. You might fit right in instantly.

Of course there are always many other avenues open to vets and the GI Bill payment plans. Many inspection schools may not that organized or capable of handling the GI bill requirements but you can attend many junior colleges nationwide and learn the trade while attending at night without needing any real background in construction, architecture, engineering, electronics, HVAC or having any structural knowledge.

You could also become a pest control poison applicator and look for termites and other nasty creatures. That also takes very little experience, knowledge or skill.
You could also learn how to paint houses or shampoo carpet. The military probably also taught you how to flip burgers. There are always opeings there.

Also on a positive note:
Good Luck to your long range vision and plans; may they take you to better possibilities with freedom and justice for all.

A special Thanks goes out to Thomas Jefferson for Freedom of Speech provision and the Bill of Rights. May they never be repealed or limited by government entities or private interests. Thus the core freedoms can be used (like the Geova Convention rules and the United Nations provisions) to help protect worldwide peaceful civil liberties and respectful dialogue and interchange between ALL people of this currently highly troubled partisan planet.

Joseph P. Hagarty
Member


Posts: 477
From:Philadelphia / Main Line
Registered: Feb 2003

posted December 20, 2005 04:25 PM            

Al Austin Wrote:

quote:

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...On a positive note I am sure you will be a perfect candidate for the NACHI association.

You could also become a pest control poison applicator and look for termites and other nasty creatures.

That also takes very little experience, knowledge or skill.

You could also learn how to paint houses or shampoo carpet.

The military probably also taught you how to flip burgers. There are always opeings there.

Also on a positive note:
Good Luck to your long range vision and plans; may they take you to better possibilities with freedom and justice for all.

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Keith:

All Business Professionals are welcomed at the NACHI Organization. Members of NACHI include many of the most Successful and Entreprenurial Members of the HI Industry.

Mr. Austin's views represent a small fragment of the Industry (himself) and should not be considered to be representative of the views of the majority of the HI Industry (NACHI)

http://www.nachi.org

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joseph.hagarty@housemaster.com http://www.householdinspector.com

Erby Crofutt
Member



Posts: 1114
From:Georgetown, Kentucky
Registered: Mar 2002

posted December 20, 2005 04:55 PM            

Brian Hannigan,

I know you've only given your award a couple of times for well deserving individuals under special circumstances

I'd like to ask you to consider Al Austin a well deserving individual also.

PLEASE, relegate him to the same category as those other well deserving individuals and award him the "BOOT".

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Erby Crofutt
B4U Close Home Inspections & Kentucky Radon Testing
Georgetown, Kentucky

www.b4uclose.com

Rick Hurst
Member



Posts: 3789
From:Rockwall, TX
Registered: Oct 2003

posted December 20, 2005 05:27 PM            

I second that! Its time to go.

Rick

BEN KELLY
Member


Posts: 121
From:UNION CITY, TN
Registered: Nov 2003

posted December 20, 2005 06:12 PM            

http://www.nachi.org/

Al, your comments are bogus. I am sure your business will continue to flourish with your current attitude.

Gerry Beaumont
Member


Posts: 482
From:Rochester NH & Clearwater FL
Registered: Jan 2003

posted December 20, 2005 07:09 PM            

Hi to all,

I think for once febble minded Al has it right, I have just given Keith a years "working membership" in NACHI at our (NACHI's)expense.

I KNOW that our members will encourage him and help him develop, if we can't help an active serviceman in the persuit of his goals then who can we help.

I KNOW our members will support me in this.

Regards

Gerry

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NACHI Training Consultant
www.nachi.org

Russel Ray
Member



Posts: 2764
From:San Diego, California
Registered: May 2002

posted December 20, 2005 07:31 PM            

Hey, NACHI folks. Good to see everyone over here.

I'm hoping that, as a cousin of some sort to Keith, and a NACHI member, perhaps I can influence Keith a wee bit. I sent him a lengthy email about NACHI, Mr. Austin (although I'm not sure the "Mr." is deserved), and various other home inspection-related tidbits (as well as some family news).

I know that NACHI not only can help Keith succeed, but will helpfully and willingly help him succeed. I think it is that NACHI willingness to help new inspectors succeed that infuriates so many home inspectors. Yet I would submit that the truly good home inspectors, regardless of association affiliation, have nothing to be afraid of.

My own opinion is that if someone truly is good at what they do, that someone can create a niche market for himself regardless of any other entities or professionals in the market. Personally, I believe I'm living proof of that. Many here at inspectionnews.com don't like me or my way of doing things, yet I seem to have created an extremely good, reputable, and profitable niche market for myself, my company and employees, and my way of doing things.

You can do it, too.
Anyone can do it.
Notwithstanding any little snippets here and there that all humans fall prey to, anyone can create a successful enterprise without denigrating other people regardless of their ethnicity, sexual orientation, politics, or anything else.

Okay, margarita time.

[This message has been edited by Russel Ray (edited December 20, 2005).]

Scott Patterson
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Posts: 2971
From:Ridgeland (Jackson), MS
Registered: Mar 2001

posted December 20, 2005 07:45 PM            

Al,

You have really crossed the line. It's not even worth my time to type the two words that describe you as a person.

Brian please give Al the award, I don't think you have given one this year! Al, you have my vote.
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Scott Patterson
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From:Ridgeland (Jackson), MS
Registered: Mar 2001

posted December 20, 2005 07:49 PM            

As Al is known for deleting his post, I thought I would save it for all to see: P.S. the spelling is all Al's!

quote:

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Al Austin
Member

Posts: 1102
From:Houston Texas
Registered: Jan 2001
posted December 20, 2005 03:45 PM

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Keith and other newbies or want to be newbies:
Seriously, first off you may have a whole lot to learn starting off and it is an endless task to keep good accurate information coming in. After a while a lot of the stuff here is highly redundant, weak, diversionary and somewhat elementary, kind of like KP duty or a high school study session. But then as an inspector you might also always be worried about being sued if you miss something or treat someone wrongly. It is the nature of this country to be quick to sue for big bucks for any reason no matter how trivial.

On a positive note I am sure you will be a perfect candidate for the NACHI association. It is perfect for your current level of experience and you can become a "certified" inspector over night at little or almost no cost out of pocket. Then you are on your way to the big bucks and lots of Realtor friends who will be very happy to give you referrals for reports they will cherish at closing.

Just tell them at NACHI that Nick G. (their Commander in Chief) sent you a freebie offer. I'm sure you will love his military approach and outgoing yet understated personality. NACHI has thousands of "certified members" with similar talents and ambitions as your current ones. You might fit right in instantly.

Of course there are always many other avenues open to vets and the GI Bill payment plans. Many inspection schools may not that organized or capable of handling the GI bill requirements but you can attend many junior colleges nationwide and learn the trade while attending at night without needing any real background in construction, architecture, engineering, electronics, HVAC or having any structural knowledge.

You could also become a pest control poison applicator and look for termites and other nasty creatures. That also takes very little experience, knowledge or skill.
You could also learn how to paint houses or shampoo carpet. The military probably also taught you how to flip burgers. There are always opeings there.

Also on a positive note:
Good Luck to your long range vision and plans; may they take you to better possibilities with freedom and justice for all.

A special Thanks goes out to Thomas Jefferson for Freedom of Speech provision and the Bill of Rights. May they never be repealed or limited by government entities or private interests. Thus the core freedoms can be used (like the Geova Convention rules and the United Nations provisions) to help protect worldwide peaceful civil liberties and respectful dialogue and interchange between ALL people of this currently highly troubled partisan planet.

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Keith L. Pruski
New Member


Posts: 7
From:New Orleans LA
Registered: Dec 2005

posted December 20, 2005 11:47 PM            

I appreciate all the responses and input. Gonna be gone for a few days doing what we do best.

I come home next month. I look forward to diving into these conversations deeper at that time.

Take care and happy holidays all.

Brian Goodman
Member


Posts: 451
From:Columbus, MS
Registered: Jan 2005

posted December 20, 2005 11:48 PM         

Welcome to the board Kieth, and add me and mine to the many who appreciate your service. Whatever may eventually come of the current mess over there, you and many others answered the call to duty and serve in harm's way, while the rest of us go about our pampered lives as free people. We thank you and hope you get home okay.

Please ignore Al.

If you use the spare time of your final year wisely, make the most of ITA's fine training, and take advantage of some of the generous offers being put forth, you can be ready to begin work in this field. It's a never-ending learning process, but those who want it can get it. Good luck.

Ed Porter
Member


Posts: 692
From:Grand Haven, MI
Registered: Jun 2001

posted December 21, 2005 05:35 AM            

Brian,
I fully agree with the others to have Al booted. Ignorance and arrogance are a nasty combination, and Al is the perfect example of that nastiness.

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Cornerstone Home Inspection Services, Inc.
Grand Haven, MI

cshomeinspector.com

Robert Schenck
New Member


Posts: 8
From:Whitby, Ontario - Canada
Registered: Dec 2005

posted December 21, 2005 05:57 AM         

Folks,

I guess Mr. Austin has something against us military types and/or the United States? I didn't want to do this (post this here), tried real hard not to, but I guess I couldn't help myself. It flusters me to no end when I hear of people such as Mr. Austin. Very good reading material if you have a slow day inspecting. (A few e-mails between Mr. Austin and I below – Sorry if it’s too long). I guess you could say I’m airing some dirty laundry here.

Keith – Once again welcome to the forum. Not only do you learn lots of great things from some of the best here, but you will from time to time run across some heated topics. They start out HI related, but soon turn out to be something ugly. Not always, …. Only sometimes. So please don’t become discouraged about staying with us.

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From: Robert Schenck [mailto:USNavyChief76@xxxxxxxxxx.ca]
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 2:51 PM
To: diligent@houston.rr.com
Subject: Booking a Home Inspection with You ....... ?

All I have to say to you Austin is that I think you're a very immature person. Can't really call you a man, because a real man doesn't degrade someone on a public forum. Especially if that person is serving our country!
Your comment really tells me a lot about you. I've heard quite a few bad things about you, and now finally seeing it in writing (your comment to Keith), I know it’s true.

How, in that small mind of yours, can you tell if Keith would be a cheap unqualified Home Inspector?
Being a newbie, he could in time far succeed your business!!! Are you afraid of the competition he might bring your way? Wow, it realllly amazes me how some peoples minds work? You take the cake, and win the dunce award of the month!!

Keith didn't start this war. So why in the world would you target him to take your aggression out on? Are you that stupid and ignorant? It's people like you that make this world of ours miserable to live in at times. So get a life, keep your nose where it belongs, and grow up !!

If it wasn't for Keith, myself, and all of the others that served our country, YOU might not even have your home inspection company. I hope you’re smart enough to comprehend what I mean by that? If not, then I feel sorry for you. I think you may have stuck your foot in your mouth here. Just think of the "bad publicity" this could bring your business if word gets around how you’re treating your fellow Home Inspectors, and our military servicemen?? Sleep on that one tonight.

Chief,
United States Navy / Retired

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Austin’s Comments:
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I did not post that email publicly. The soldier who wants to be an inspector did by copying it to a public area. He also can erase it if he chooses.

Political Commentary follows:
I haven't killed anyone with or with out reason. The soldier may have or at least supported the effort of an unjustified war. How many innocent people has he killed? How many Americans are dead for no good reason? How many others worldwide have been killed, jailer or tortured by Americans under false pretenses? Perhaps hundreds of thousands maybe more are victims of American aggression. Viet Nam and Korea were not necessary either.

The US government is a very sick warring entity that can not mind its own business so it interferes in others with many hard bloody lessons to be learned. In this sense the calace greedy consciousless America has no heart or compassion for others. The rights of others are smashed under the flag of imperialism and domance of US corperate interests in search of control and domanace at any cost. That cost is in blood and lost lives and broken families. It is such a wasteful unnecessary loss. The soldiers are brainwashed into making the tragidies happen for they might actually belive that God, Mom and apple pie are better off with an American brand stamped on them.

This is not the US that Jefferson envisioned with freedom and justice for ALL. The reality potraits a sham of a country that bullies its way around the globe to steal cheap labor and natural resources at bargain basement prices while fat cat multinational corporations like Rupert Murdock and Exxon get fatter and fatter at the public’s expense. The ignorance and complicity of the consuming American public then squanders the materials, pollutes the planet and disrespects all other nations that refuses to kiss the nation’s bloody star spangled ass. There is no wonder that the US is hated around the globe.

I plead no alligiance to the Bush / Republican sham of a fraudulant government. I do however salute compitent fair minded Americans like Thomas Jefferson, Abe Lincoln, Al Gore, John Kerry, John McCay, Ralph Nader, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton to name a few. The Bushes, L.B. Johnson, Reagan, Nixon, J Edgar Hoovers and the Chaineys deserve no alliances or respect. Gerald Ford was/is nothing but a lame pawn.

I support this country when it is RIGHT, NOT when it is so OBVIOUSLY WRONG as in the case of Dufus Bush's IRAQ INVASION. There will be no victory parades for him or any troops who invade a nation based on false claims and political objectives. Dufus Bush is a failed politician with a tiny brain and dangerous malicious unethical cronies pulling his strings. They will not pull my strings or receive any respect for the many dirty tricks they have pulled on the public.

Who is going to protect this country from the abuses of the Dufus Bush / Republican administration? Not the soldiers they are only following orders and some like the CIA even justify torture while ignoring the Geonva convention rules. That makes them no better than Bin Laden who is still at large. That's another Bush failure. Bush's approval rating is in the low 30's for just reason. Get a clue. There will be no parade for the vets or Dufus withouft some just deserved protest from the outraged citizens who have hd enough conservative Republican shit.

Al Austin BSME ENGIDE/ Diligent Enterprises 281-480-3388

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From: Robert Schenck [mailto:USNavyChief76@xxxxxxxxx.ca]
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 7:27 PM
To: diligent@houston.rr.com
Subject: RE: Dufus's Unnecessary war.

You're correct, you didn't make it a public e-mail, ..... the soldier did. But, I guess he had every right to make it public, just as you had the right to e-mail him and say what you did. He had the CHOICE of erasing it, just like you had the CHOICE of sending it to him. Regardless, but because he's a soldier, do you think it was the "Right Thing To Do", when all he was doing was asking for some home inspection advice?

You unjustifiably slammed him, saying that he's going to be another cheap unqualified home inspector? How do you know that? Please tell me HOW YOU KNOW THAT? And what makes YOU any better than HIM? We alllll started out somewhere with regard to the home inspection business. It would be interesting to know your logic? Because he's a soldier and he supports Bush?

How do you know he even supports Bush? He might be doing what he feels is right, .... and that's defending his country against terrorism, and the threats against his FREEDOMS, the freedoms that us Americans enjoy, but a lot of countries don't have ? Besides, I think Keith has been in the Marines far longer than Bush has been in office (he's about to retire soon). Should he get out just because Bush was elected? Did you ever think of that? Don't give me this bullshit about the rights of others being smashed under the American Flag. The American Flag stands for freedom, and its because of the United States compassion, that many countries are better off. Your one of those people that are soooo quick to point out the BAD things about the States, and yes ... there are a few things that could be improved upon, but overall, the United States is a world leader. Hey, if you don't like it here, ..... why don't you move to another country ?

I do agree with some of your statements below, but not all. All of the presidents I've know in my life time have blundered in some form or another. They've all done some good, and they've all made some pretty dumb decisions. We're not back in the Thomas Jefferson days. But, even back then they screwed up by giving us the right to bare-arms. Look what that's done for TODAY'S society?

Things are constantly changing. Today's presidents are dealing with a much harsher reality. It's because of one country (i.e. Iraq, Afghanistan, etc) motives, decisions, actions, that we true blood Americans (presidents) take evasive action(s). I've never seen the States pick a fight (so to speak). I have always believed, and will continue to believe, that the United States has good will and intentions for the betterment of its people, and for other countries as well. For you to degrade the United States has you have, ..... is well, .... ignorant minded.

I see your one of those people who believe the world should be, and someday will be, a perfect place to live in. We'd all love nothing more than to live in a perfect world. Well wake up, because it never will be. Our soldiers don't kill innocent people on "purpose", as you mentioned. There have been in every war, since man-kind, innocent casualties of war. There is, nor will there be, no way around that. That IS the unfortunate part of any war.

Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, Jimmy Carter and Ralph Nader, ..... yes, I agree their good men. But Bill Clinton ? What did he ever do for this country, .... besides OUT RIGHT lie (on TV) to the public about not screwing good ole Monica ?

But you know what? We're in America and we're all welcome to our own opinions and thoughts. That is what makes this country so great, .... the "FREEDOM" of choice and opinions !! And who cares about a presidents rating, or a parade? What we conscious minded Americans care about is doing what is right for America, and the well being of other countries that support democracy !! Try saying that over in Iraq, and see if you don't get your head blown off or cut off!!! Try living a decent life over in China, and see if you don't get lynched up by your neck or ran over by a tank!!!

I know the point you were trying to drive home, but face it, .... The world isn't perfect, nor will it ever be. Bush is no Saint, but at least he has the balls to stand up and do what is right. Yea yea you say, .... but face it. Your opinion is just that, .... your opinion.

Have a great day, and feel FREE to express your opinion again sometime,
Robert

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Austin’s Comments
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Iraq is not Afghanistan. Sadam is not the Bin Laden family (Bush's rich Arab buddies). Look up Bush's CIA/OIL/ assination connections to project Zapata that goes all the way back to pre 1960 and the JFK Cuba's bay of pigs and the Castro mess. Read "The Emaculate Deception" for details. Listen to Dylan's "Masters or War."

The Arabs and Islamic people are not my enemy. Injustice and inhumanity that attempts to dominate othres are areas that are I consider to be problem spots that inhibits humanity. There is just as much inhumanity and in justice in the US as in much of the world. The US is just bragging louder than the rest. Its a sales thing to keep the people in line and constsant consuming more and more resources. There is no end in sight.

Here in Texas the "good old boy redneck network" is alive and well along with the KKK and a huge variety of hate crimes. Discrimination is common place still. Slavery has taken a different face but it exists as sure as the rich aim to controk the economy and the stock market. The US freedoms are not given to all equally. The American Indians are still getting shafted by politicians. There is an obvious very strong ultra conservative movement that has taken control of the white house and much of congress. I consider many of them to be very corrupt in that they do not hesitate to assimilate falsehoods and misinformation to the public in many ways. That includes barring the freedom of the press and buying journalists to plant false stories. That is not at all respectable by any stretch of the imagination. It is however is the policy of the Bush administration to control and divert attention away from its may major errors of judgment by using media spin and propaganda.

If there is one word that describes the US it is "Selfish". Why? because the go it alone Americans can't see beyond their own self interests. The Iraq war is being fought because the oil barons want high profits from stolen oil reserves. Bush and Cheney are right in the middle of it along with good buddy Enron's CEO Ken Lay. None have seen a day in jail but that is where they belong..

Just because people hide behind a flag, mom and apple pie that does not mean that they are right or justified in inappropriate activity such as torture or the invasion of any other country without a very good reason where there is no other alternative. There is a massive failure under the current administration as there have been in many other Republican administrations. Nixon's, Reagan's and the older Bush admininstration were some of the worst on record but Dufus Bush has managed to be the worst of all.

Opium fields have returned to Afghanistan still imports large amounts of heroin into the US even though the US government have them a billion dollars to stop it. Bin Laden is still at large, probably with his friends in Pakistan. Mexico has invaded the US one illegal alien at a time. India is taking away American jobs and both India and Pakistan both have nuclear weapons but Bush did nothing about stopping them from actually having weapons of mass destruction.

If you really want to find weapons of mass destruction they are all inside the US and created by the US government in its attempt to bully the rest of the world into submission. The US did however give give Israil atomic bombs and still financially supports their enonomy and military. Why? It’s a protect the Xian holy lands thing. There is nothing holy about the Middle East is it a religious fanatics war zone and we should stay away from its stupid hostility. There is far too much of a connection between religion and government there and now here in the US. Where is Jefferson when we need him now?

In answer to your question:
I am impartial in my inspections. I do them for anyone and tell everyone the whole truth and try to treat everyone EQUALLY. That is not always easy when there are so many shortsighted asshole cowboys and conservative religious jerks in the public. I inspect the property NOT the people who live in the abodes.

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From: Robert Schenck [mailto:USNavyChief76@xxxxxxxxx.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 8:22 AM
To: diligent@houston.rr.com
Subject: RE: Dufus's Unnecessary war.

Austin, I will not get into the political aspects of this over the inflated rampage of yours. I'm concerned about the soldier who you carelessly targeted because of your lunatic ways of thinking. I know I'm NOT alone when I say your a bit off the deep end !!! Let me ask you a hypothetical question here. Would you as a Home Inspector, inspect a persons house known to be tied to the Al Qaeda ? Chew on that question for awhile and please get back to me - lol.

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From: Diligent(mailto:diligent@houston.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 9:09 AM
To: 'Robert Schenck'
Subject: RE: Dufus's Unnecessary war.

I will work to IMPROVE this country. I will NOT make excuses for its obvious failures.

Dufus Bush needs to accept redsponsibility for his many very costly mistakes and admit that he is an idiot that got into office on his father's CIA coat tails/money/connections and by using fraud, trickery, bribery, graft and skullduggery. He is a discrase to the American public and should resign like Nixon did. The only problem is that Chainey also needs to be impeached like Tom Delay will be eventually convicted for corruption. IT is a very dirty business in the capital and the state houses. In the current state I is not worth saluting. Most of the mean corrupt activiity is by Republicans and intolerant conservative XIAN religious fanatics.

That sholder who wants to be an inspector should not expect any favors for doing Bush's corrupt dirty work. It is just weak willed and shortsighted as are many sheep in the military and the public sector. The armed forces are just pawns in the Bush / Chainey's desire to get middle east oil and control the regions for very deep poceted multinational corperations like Halliburton. If the military can find its conscience and leadership they maybe they will also ask for the impeachment of Bush.

I will take Thomas Jefferson's America over Hamilton's Federalist papers anyday.

Al Austin BSME ENGIDE/ Diligent Enterprises 281-480-3388
That sholder who wants to be an inspector should not expect any favors for doing Bush's corrupt dirty work. It is just weak willed and shortsighted as are many sheep in the military and the public sector. I repeat myself.

Al Austin BSME ENGIDE/ Diligent Enterprises 281-480-3388

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Richard Rushing
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Posts: 2822
From:Duncanville, Tx.
Registered: Oct 2003

posted December 21, 2005 06:44 AM            

Geez-US H. Christ!!!

I swear... about a couple of years ago, I read a letter (published publically) that was damn near identical to the above propaganda. I'm not kidding... you could have crossed out the names of the authors and NO PART OF THE MESSAGE WOULD CHANGE.

The real disturbing thing is-- the previous author is no longer around because of his actions.

That person was Timothy McViegh (OKC bomber).

Yikes!!!

He too was a POS.

Richard

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Duncanville, Tx.
richard@aa-inspection.com

Richard Rushing
Member



Posts: 2822
From:Duncanville, Tx.
Registered: Oct 2003

posted December 21, 2005 06:58 AM            

By the Way,

Outstanding gesture Gerry Beaumont!!

Way to go.

Rich

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Richard Stanley
Member


Posts: 769
From:Corpus Christi, TX
Registered: Sep 2002

posted December 21, 2005 07:46 AM            

"I haven't killed anyone with or with out reason." Quote from asshole.
When you and the rest of the morons like you spout the treasonous venom that you do, it adds encouragement to the religious, towel-head, fanatical, CNN and Al Jazeera patrons to keep on keeping on with their suicide bombings and American killing roadside bombs, etc. - but, you knew that. So - you think you haven't killed anybody - think again. May you have a fatal accident in a vacant property during an inspection..

Rick Vernon
Member


Posts: 22
From:Zeeland, MI
Registered: Jul 2005

posted December 21, 2005 07:54 AM            

Keith,
Thank you for your past and continued service to your country and its people.
May God Bless you and keep you safe. Thanks also to your family who endure the hardships associated with military service.
Good luck to you in all your future endeavors, whatever they may be.
Rick Vernon
Army
CSM, retired.

Rick Vernon
Member


Posts: 22
From:Zeeland, MI
Registered: Jul 2005

posted December 21, 2005 08:17 AM            

Al,
What cheap shot, to single out a lone service member, on active duty in a war zone, to spout off all that crap.
The military teaches to lead by example. If you don't like the way its being done, then do the Jefferson thing and run for office, lead, instead of bit** about it, use the system your presidential heroes used to make things soooo much better.
Keith served under some of your hero's and did what servicemen and women do... follow the orders of the leadership, doesn't matter if they agree with them or not. Accusing Keith or any service member of being brainwashed and killing innocents intentionally is irrational, irresponsible, plain idiotic.
As a former soldier I thank all the people in this country who work to protect our freedoms on a daily basis, and that includes your freedom to express yourself. But to lay all that crap on Keith, one Marine, who is not responsible for YOUR problems is unforgivable.
As we used to say in the Army, I'll die to protect his rights but personally wouldn't piss on him if he were on FIRE. That applies to you Al.
Rick Vernon

Rick Hurst
Member



Posts: 3789
From:Rockwall, TX
Registered: Oct 2003

posted December 21, 2005 08:27 AM            

Rantings from a Lunatic

Mike Boyett
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Posts: 4
From:Austin, Tx
Registered: Dec 2005

posted December 21, 2005 05:36 PM         

I just love this essay, it's kind of long but interesting and appropriate to this thread: http://www.capcityinspections.com/On%20Sheep.PDF

[This message has been edited by Mike Boyett (edited December 21, 2005).]

Adam J. Slimack
Member


Posts: 238
From:Clarence, New York
Registered: Nov 2004

posted December 21, 2005 06:02 PM         

No surprise. If nothing else, Al is consistent.

Adam, A Plus

Patrick Dacey
New Member


Posts: 2
From:San Antonio, TX
Registered: Dec 2005

posted December 21, 2005 06:23 PM            

Keith,

I am an inspector in San Antonio. When you return home, after you get reaquainted with family and friends, drop me an email or call me (210)722-8433. I can answer any questions you may have about inspecting in SA and you are more than welcome to come on some ride alongs with me to see what it's all about.

Just so you know, San Antonio Community College (SAC) offers all of the coursework you need to qualify for taking the TREC exam. Don't know if the GI bill will cover it though.

Good luck and be safe for your last few weeks over there. I look forward to hearing from you.

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Patrick Dacey

Russel Ray
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Posts: 2764
From:San Diego, California
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posted December 21, 2005 06:40 PM            

Without pretending to speak for Keith, since he is out on maneuvers right now, he and his wife live in New Orleans, and despite Katrina (or maybe because of Katrina), Keith tells me that they plan on staying in New Orleans. So something in Louisiana might be more relevant for him, or something close by. Of course, with our relatives in San Antonio and Floresville, he could conceivably take some courses in Texas. Aren't Texas standards much more stringent than Louisiana? Depending on how rapidly Keith needs to get started, that could be good or bad. Of course, if the government pays for it, hey, take what you can get.

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Patrick Dacey
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posted December 21, 2005 06:45 PM            

Ahh, thanks for the clarification. For some reason I thought he lived in SA. I guess it was all the talk about your relatives.

Offer still stands if wants to live in SA.

I don't know what the requirements are in LA so I couldn't say if TX is more stringent or not.

Ralph Stakely
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posted December 21, 2005 07:20 PM            

Austin, (does not deserve a Mr.)

When (not if) the next attack comes to these shores, I hope you are able to see the the "evil smile" on the face of the bomber when he pushes the button. Only problem is that there will be innocent people killed and injured at the time. But what do you care?

I know that is not the Christian attitude to have, but even Jesus said that God will turn you over to your reprobate mind.

You need serious help. What flavor is the kool-aid? Jones-Grape?

Brian, I believe in freedom of speech. But one person's freedom stops where the next man's nose begins. Time to pull the plug. He has defamed and backstabbed every military person back to WWI.

Guess he doesn't realize that Old Thomas, George, Ben, Nathan, etc actually killed or were indirectly complicit in the deaths of some "Innocent" British soldiers back in the good ole days.

Al,
You are real close to your buddy Vincente Fox. Why don't you move on down and live with him. See how far you would get with your ravings against his government.

Keith,
Keep the faith and may God keep all of you safe.

Retired USAF (Vietnam vet and proud of it)

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Stay safe and play nice.
Ralph

BEN KELLY
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posted December 21, 2005 07:53 PM            

""""There is nothing holy about the Middle East is it a religious fanatics war zone and we should stay away from its stupid hostility. There is far too much of a connection between religion and government there and now here in the US. Where is Jefferson when we need him now? """

This nation was founded on God and religion. The seperation of religion and state was not intended to be the way it is.

In God we trust on our money

One Nation under God.

America needs to be on Israel's side, whatever they need, whenever they need it. Israel is a chosen nation.

The Middle east has great influence, and prophetic meaning today. Most of the Bible was from the area. Things that hapen there are pivotal for the future.

My pastor is from Damascus Syria, and has a first hand understanding of all these things. There is Much holy about the middle east, that has yet to be seen.

A Christmas tidbit..

The Magi (wisemen) that came to bring gifts to the newborn King, are believed to have come from Iran.

Jerry Peck
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posted December 22, 2005 06:37 AM            

"This nation was founded on God and religion."

No, this nation was founded on the belief and knowledge that YOU can follow YOUR religion without interference from ME about MY religion. IT WAS NOT founded on "God and religion", it was founded on "freedom *OF* religion", which includes non-religion (which is a religion, nothing in there says "organized" religion).

"The separation of religion and state was not intended to be the way it is."

Quite the contrary, the SPECIFIC separation of Church and State WAS INTENDED, and not intended to be broken ... as it is now being broken.

IRAN is a country where there is no religious freedom, no separation of Church and State, would you want the United States of America to be like that? Oh, ONLY IF it was YOUR religion in control ... I see ... but do you?

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Al Austin
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posted December 22, 2005 06:52 AM            

Actually I as a pacifist with active politics have more in common with the Green Party and the great Presidents Jimmy Carter, Thomas Jefferson JFK and the very highly respectable Ralph Nader and MLK than those terrible people some twisted persons have tried to link me in common. I think John Lennon's "IMAGINE" and Michael Moore's "F. 991" had it right and I will continue to support truthfulness in the future.
Just for the record Venezuela’s president was also just stating facts during Bush's visit. They were just protecting their oil interests from greedy manipulations. They hate Americans the same way much of the rest of the world does. The US government and some of its citizens can't be trusted to be fair and just. That is why they hate the US. There is no wonder why.

Truth can be a bitter pill to swallow for those who are deluded from the facts.

It is amazing that the conservative types can't see beyond their own trash and thus project hostility in an aggressive defense of a failed system. You can try to vilify me personall but the vast majority of the world probably agrees with my facts as stated in private emails. I should have known better than to trust anyone who is a member of NAXHI. It makes since NAXHI, like many republicans have no sustainable creditability because both are based on manipulation and misinformation.

Good Luck to your healthy long range vision and plans for peace (not domination); may they take you to better possibilities with freedom and justice for all. I do mean for ALL.

A special Thanks again goes out to Thomas Jefferson for the Freedom of Speech provision and the Bill of Rights. May they never be repealed or limited by government entities or private interests. Thus the core freedoms can be used (like the Genova Convention rules and the United Nations provisions) to help protect worldwide peaceful civil liberties and respectful dialogue and interchange between ALL people of this currently highly troubled partisan planet.

The whole world deserves better than what the US government has been recently dishing out as an excuse for and domestic foreign policy.

Therefore I add the following information to point to the future for Bush and his failed leadership. It is written by a 20 year vet of the US congress / house of representatives.

Demand Censure and Accountability for Misconduct by Bush and Cheney in Iraq War

Dear Friend:

Today I released a staff Report entitled, “The Constitution in Crisis: The Downing Street Minutes and Deception, Manipulation, Torture, Retribution and Coverups in the Iraq War.”

In response to the Report – which finds substantial evidence of federal legal violations by numerous members of the Bush Administration --

I have introduced a resolution creating a Select Committee with subpoena authority to investigate the misconduct of the Bush Administration with regard to the Iraq war and report on possible impeachable offenses; as well as Resolutions proposing both President Bush and Vice-President Cheney should be censured by Congress based on the uncontroverted evidence of their abuse of power.

To read the Report, sign up as a citizen cosponsor of these efforts, or make a contribution and obtain a signed copy of a book version of the report to be published in the coming months, please go to the Iraq Report Action Center on my web site.
Iraq Report Action Center
In addition to highlighting the devastating arrogance, hubris, and wrongheadedness of the Bush Administration, the Report also highlights the danger of one party rule in Washington and inability of the Republican Congress to operate as any sort of check or balance on the Administration. It is important that we as a nation say “never again” to going to war under false pretenses, and covering up official wrongdoing. Thank you for helping me look at these problems, and please pass on this email to friends and colleagues who may be interested in this issue as well.

Forward to a Friend
Thank you for your help and your continued stand for a better democracy.
Sincerely,

John Conyers, Jr.

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Robert Schenck
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posted December 22, 2005 07:20 AM         

From: Diligent [mailto:diligent@houston.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 9:29 AM
To: 'Robert Schenck'
Subject: RE: Dufus's Unnecessary war.

Don't the troops know that the IRAQ war was based on false information and political motives? How could they not know that? Are they brainwashed to kill without reason or without questioning corrupt authority?

Al Austin BSME ENGIDE/ Diligent Enterprises 281-480-3388

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My Response
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I hate to say this, but after reading your e-mail, I actually felt sorry for you. It seems your struggling so hard to somehow comprehend what's going on in this world of ours? Where have you been for the last 20 or so years?

False information? I take it you're speaking of the WMD the Iraq's supposively had? And how could we not know there were WMD? Well, we / they wouldn't know until we / they (the coalition) go in and LOOK.

Kind of look at it this way, ..... if your little girl came home and said daddy, there's a big big mean pit-bull dog next door, and it looks like he might get out of the backyard and bite me, or someone else. What would YOU do? Just sit there and say ... "Eh, it's ok honey, he wont get out, and he wont bite anyone if he does get out". Or would you go over there and at least investigate (check it out) ? Would you at least make sure the pit-bull COULDN'T get out? Very simple, and maybe a silly analogy, .... but do you get my point ?

I don't get into political mumbo jumbo, because I'm not a political kind of guy. So I don't really care to elaborate when it comes to the Left Wing - Right Wing crap. I'll leave it at that. Continue to enjoy your freedom of speech, and e-mail when you have the need to release that bottled up anguish. I have a friend who's a physiologist. Would you like her e-mail address? Please let me know, ..... because I'm almost positive she could help you out.
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Robert
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Richard Rushing
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posted December 22, 2005 07:24 AM            

quote:

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IRAN is a country where there is no religious freedom, would you want the United States of America to be like that? Oh, ONLY IF it was YOUR religion in control ... I see ... but do you?

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Not too sure where that came from. I don't remember reading anywhere in the posts above where anyone stated that ONLY THIER RELIGION SHOULD BE IN CONTROL.

Where did that come from???

This thing is morphing from a good-ole Jar-Head seeking info regarding the GI bill, to lunitic rantings about our "xionist" government, THEN into some kinda religious debate. What-the-"F" is up with that???

It's ok to question how things are. But, when you go on and on about your hatred of the country, it might be time for someone to check you out for an IUD (I mean) IED.

To all you Jihadists out there... bad news!! There are not enough virgins to go around. Oh yeah, if you couldn't get any while you were on this planet, what makes you think that a virgin is going to give it up (to you) in heaven???

That's just goofy.

Rich

Russel Ray
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posted December 22, 2005 07:32 AM            

ROTFLMAO

Jerry Peck
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posted December 22, 2005 07:35 AM            

Rich,

"Where did that come from???"

That came from here:

quote:

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This nation was founded on God and religion. The separation of religion and state was not intended to be the way it is.

In God we trust on our money

One Nation under God.

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ALL religions are INCLUDED in "freedom *OF* religion". There is NO requirement to believe in God in there.

Just stating the facts. Some do not like the facts and try to twist them "The separation of religion and state was not intended to be the way it is.", but, yes, it WAS intended to be completely separate.

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Jerry Peck
South Florida

Richard Rushing
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posted December 22, 2005 07:47 AM            

"WHERE DID THAT COME FROM" was figuratively speaking. Not litterally.

The question, "Where did that come from" was a bigger question to ask, why is this turning/ morphing into a religious thread instead of an az-hole bashing fest

Hey, bashing some az-hole over the head with a (verbal) baseball bat is pretty easy when he/she is wearing a sign (printed on this bulliten board) that says, "hit me harder, please"

Rich

BEN KELLY
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posted December 22, 2005 08:05 AM            

No astericks needed, this is what I beleive, and your astericks, and capitlzation won't change it. You do an excellent job of highlighting, and placing astericks where needed to get accross your point. However, I disagree for the following reasons..

"We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are create equal, and that they are endowed by their CREATOR with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness."
Declaration of INdependence, July 4, 1776

Self evident truths---
1 They beleieved in a creator
2 They beleived that God created them in His Image
3. They beleieved in a Supernatural creation and acts that gave them right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness from God, not government.
4 They beleived in moral absolutes and absolute truths which our forefathers called unalienable rights, and self evident truth.

And, I beleieve it was founded on God and REligion..no astrericks needed. My thinking, not yours..

"In the name of God, Amen. WE, whose names are underwritten....Having undertaken for the GLORY OF GOD, and Advancement of the Christian Faith...a voyage to plant the first colony in the norhtern parts of Virginia (they were in Mass); do by these presents, solemnly and mutually in the PRESENCE OF GOD and one of another, covenant and combine ourseleves together into a civil Body Politick..." The Mayflower Compact, Nov 1620.

Presedintial Inauguration.....
:ONe NAtion UNder God
:In God we Trust
:So help Me God

America whether me, or anyone elese likes it was and is based on God, yes, it is slowly being removed. Possibly why we see so many bad things hapening. And YES , you have the right to think otherwise. Due to this...

Whether we live or die, sink or swim, succeed or fail, I stand behind this Decleration of INdependence. ANd if GOD wills it, I am ready to die in order that this country might expeirence freedom." John Adams. as he signed the DEcleration of INdependence.

"Do not remove the Landmark which your fathers have set" Proverbs 22:28

It is awesome that you can believe how you wont, and I can too. America is great.

I could easily say you are twisting thins also, but I want, it is your opinion.

Gerry Beaumont
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posted December 22, 2005 08:31 AM            

Hi to all,

Didn't the first amendment sort this out once and for all?

quote:

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Amendment I - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

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I thought the sole intention of this ammendment was to seperate church and state to kerb some of the religeous excesses which had forced many settlers, to find new homes and opportunities free from religeous intollerance in this country?

But what would a Brit know !!

Regards

Gerry

Jerry Peck
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posted December 22, 2005 09:09 AM            

Gerry,

"But what would a Brit know !!"

Apparently more than some Americans know.

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Jerry Peck
South Florida

Russel Ray
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posted December 22, 2005 10:15 AM            

My only question would be: "Who gets to define which god?"

Protestants?
Terrorists?
Catholics?
Mormons?
Baptists?
Episcopalians?
Iranians?
Chinese?
Buddhists?
Muslims?
Heterosexuals?
Homosexuals?
Drag Queens?
Saudi Arabians?
British?
Americans?
Those who can kill the most people?
Those with the biggest weapons?

All totally senseless.

With apologist to Paul McCartney:

"DEVIL" is simply "EVIL" without the "D". "GOD" is simply "good" missing an "O". Put that "O" in there and you'll never have to worry about D-EVIL."

But if believing in a god and/or a religion makes you feel good and be good, then I'm all for it. Just don't tell me that I have to believe in your god or your religion.

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Gerry Beaumont
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posted December 22, 2005 10:32 AM            

Russel,

the whole point was that no one especially the State gets to define which "gods" are acceptable or not.

This also enshrines the concept that the idiots of this world also get to say their piece.

Regards

Gerry

Russel Ray
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posted December 22, 2005 10:39 AM            

Which is why I love the United States of America so much. Its faults notwithstanding, it still is the best the universe has ever seen.

I would rather listen to the Al Austins of the world than have someone dictate to me what I can and cannot listen to.

Unfortunately, this country is trying its best to become a dictatorial theocracy. I say that if you want to have a king and a theocracy, there are plenty of them still left in the world.

I will help you move, either with some cold hard cash or some margaritas. Your choice.

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Jerry Peck
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posted December 22, 2005 10:49 AM            

Gerry,

"the whole point was that no one especially the State gets to define which "gods" are acceptable or not."

No, the whole point is that no one gets to say one must believe in God, a god, or any god.

NO ONE gets to tell "anyone else" who, what, where or how to believe or not to believe.

"This also enshrines the concept that the idiots of this world also get to say their piece."

Yep, part of what makes America great, huh?

Now, how about of we leave the religious post for religious boards? Agreed?

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Jerry Peck
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Gerry Beaumont
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posted December 22, 2005 10:54 AM            

Jerry,

agreed, happy holidays

Gerry

RANDY NICHOLAS
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posted December 22, 2005 01:59 PM            

WOW, THIS IS GIVING ME A BRAIN-ACHE. AL, E-MAIL ME AND I WILL GIVE YOU MY LEFT WING LIBERAL DAUGHTER'S EMAIL ADDRESS AND YA'LL CAN HAVE A GOOD TIME AGREEING ON WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE MOST WONDERFUL COUNTRY ON GOD'S GREEN (BROWN TO YOU EPA JUNKIES) EARTH.

ISN'T THIS A HOME INSPECTION BOARD SITE???

WE ALL LIVE AND BELIEVE AS WE CHOOSE. DO NOT TRY TO CRAM YOUR VIEWS/OPIONIONS DOWN MY THROAT OR UP MY ARSE.

I HAVE TWO DAUGHTERS ONE TO THE FAR RIGHT THE OTHER TO THE WAY FAR LEFT. I TRY TO BE THE DAD, BUT NOT IN THE SAME ROOM. IT'S LIKE "BRAIN SALAD SURGERY".

Rick Hurst
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posted December 22, 2005 02:23 PM            

Click for photo (38910 Bytes)

Richard Rushing
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posted December 22, 2005 03:18 PM            

Hey Al...
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Richard

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Rick Hurst
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posted December 22, 2005 05:36 PM            

Richard,

Your a slacking there. You forgot the front bracket on your picture link.

Rick

Jerry Peck
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posted December 22, 2005 05:53 PM            

(sigh)

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Richard Rushing
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posted December 23, 2005 05:41 AM            

No slacker here...

For those of you who know how to make the repair, it's there.

RR